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Thane heins Rodin pulse motor

Started by Jimboot, August 04, 2012, 09:34:38 AM

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Jimboot

Quote from: synchro1 on August 05, 2012, 10:31:08 PM
Jimboot,
"Thanks mate. I call it that as he is the only one I've seen demonstrate this. For me it is significant because ATM I have a motor in my shed that is running at 25k rpm that is charging its own run batter.very slowly charging but voltage is increasing. Not saying that there aren't a lot of variable to consider but I think it's something worthy of investigation."

I achieved that r.p.m with my Spiral Torque coil and precision ceramic bearings.  My loop back to source charge was ticking micro volts up by the second. My Lenz delay effect was increased noticably by the use of  1' x 1/2" diametric neo tube magnets coupled end to end as output coil core. The bifilar coil on a radio shack magnet wire spool. The output coil a.c. pole shift is inhibited by the blocking action of the powerfull neo magnet field. The coil then acts as a Leon Dragone magnet generator, as well as a Lenz delay output coil. This can be accomplished with a  very low impedance bifilar coil a fraction of the size of your your Moby two kilo high impedance version.
Interesting Synchro thanks, a few things for me to look up there. DO you have a vid somewhere of your motor?

twinbeard

Synchro!  Good to see you. 


Synchro and I were hacking away on this problem in parallel a couple of years ago.  Llewgnal also made an excellent device worth looking at, as he documented his whole build process.  Many ways to skin a cat, and we both found one.  He went with the larger rotor, and I shrunk the rotor as much as possible... down to a 1/8" neo sphere, to optimize for frequency.  We both documented our work pretty well on the one magnet no bearing bedini threads here and on energeticforum.

The smaller rotor produced some interesting effects due to the freq... exciter type behavior with a neon or AV plug, very interesting AM noise at a distance, and the pure speed of it, topping 3 million RPMs (57.5kHz) and breaking the sound barrier along the plane of rotation, which makes a curious continuous whooshing noise.

I have never tried to self loop this device, as my output is around 1500V at the aforementioned frequency... I did not want the loss in conversion.  That said, 400ma @ 12V on input, 10-12ma (depending on solar magnetic field conditions) at @1500V on the output in motor mode.  200ma@12V input in solid state mode (removing the rotor after starting) yields 12-14ma (again, depending on the solar field) at anywhere from 1900V to 2200V.

I once put matched gen coils top and bottom around the drive coil pair/rotor assembly, and output was at 4000V, 16ma or so when
purple plasma arced from the one coil lead to the chassis of the device.... BZZZT.  I replaced all the components and restored it to its previous working state, without the matched coils.

Glad to have Jimboot digging into this from down under, and I hope this is useful for him and everyone else.

Cheers,
Twinbeard


Quote from: synchro1 on August 05, 2012, 10:31:08 PM
Jimboot,
"Thanks mate. I call it that as he is the only one I've seen demonstrate this. For me it is significant because ATM I have a motor in my shed that is running at 25k rpm that is charging its own run batter.very slowly charging but voltage is increasing. Not saying that there aren't a lot of variable to consider but I think it's something worthy of investigation."

I achieved that r.p.m with my Spiral Torque coil and precision ceramic bearings.  My loop back to source charge was ticking micro volts up by the second. My Lenz delay effect was increased noticably by the use of  1' x 1/2" diametric neo tube magnets coupled end to end as output coil core. The bifilar coil on a radio shack magnet wire spool. The output coil a.c. pole shift is inhibited by the blocking action of the powerfull neo magnet field. The coil then acts as a Leon Dragone magnet generator, as well as a Lenz delay output coil. This can be accomplished with a  very low impedance bifilar coil a fraction of the size of your your Moby two kilo high impedance version.

Jimboot

Quote from: twinbeard on August 05, 2012, 10:55:05 PM
Synchro!  Good to see you. 


Synchro and I were hacking away on this problem in parallel a couple of years ago.  Llewgnal also made an excellent device worth looking at, as he documented his whole build process.  Many ways to skin a cat, and we both found one.  He went with the larger rotor, and I shrunk the rotor as much as possible... down to a 1/8" neo sphere, to optimize for frequency.  We both documented our work pretty well on the one magnet no bearing bedini threads here and on energeticforum.

The smaller rotor produced some interesting effects due to the freq... exciter type behavior with a neon or AV plug, very interesting AM noise at a distance, and the pure speed of it, topping 3 million RPMs (57.5kHz) and breaking the sound barrier along the plane of rotation, which makes a curious continuous whooshing noise.

I have never tried to self loop this device, as my output is around 1500V at the aforementioned frequency... I did not want the loss in conversion.  That said, 400ma @ 12V on input, 10-12ma (depending on solar magnetic field conditions) at @1500V on the output in motor mode.  200ma@12V input in solid state mode (removing the rotor after starting) yields 12-14ma (again, depending on the solar field) at anywhere from 1900V to 2200V.

I once put matched gen coils top and bottom around the drive coil pair/rotor assembly, and output was at 4000V, 16ma or so when
purple plasma arced from the one coil lead to the chassis of the device.... BZZZT.  I replaced all the components and restored it to its previous working state, without the matched coils.

Glad to have Jimboot digging into this from down under, and I hope this is useful for him and everyone else.

Cheers,
Twinbeard
whoa I thought my neosphere spinning at 250k was pretty cool. The reason I switched to a rotor on an axle is so that I could control it. I found the spheres very unpredictable and couldn't get consistent results. I'll have to go through those old threads. BTW Do you look like Yosemite Sam? That's the image I have every time I read your name lol

twinbeard

Quote from: Jimboot on August 05, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
whoa I thought my neosphere spinning at 250k was pretty cool. The reason I switched to a rotor on an axle is so that I could control it. I found the spheres very unpredictable and couldn't get consistent results. I'll have to go through those old threads. BTW Do you look like Yosemite Sam? That's the image I have every time I read your name lol

Hahahaha!  I have a foot long goatee with full beard trimmed neatly around it.  I often part the goatee down the middle... so to answer your question, yes, probably.  Haha.

I wound up putting the sphere rotors in housings made of pvc pipe or for the smaller ones, lexan tubing.  A plastic ziptie holds the rotor with just a little play inside the tube.  What I found very interesting from that is when the rotor is stable (periods of low solar activity, as it behaves as a magnetometer too, and wobbles during flares/CME's) it will not only rotate around its normal axis, but also SLOWWWLY around another axis 90 degrees to the main axis of rotation.  In other words, the axis of rotation itself rotates as well, but it is only really noticeable on larger rotors (I have half a dozen variants of this on the bench for observation).  It was oddities like that which kept me from putting it on a shaft... it was just too interesting to engineer out of the device.

Magluvin

Quote from: Jimboot on August 05, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
whoa I thought my neosphere spinning at 250k was pretty cool. The reason I switched to a rotor on an axle is so that I could control it. I found the spheres very unpredictable and couldn't get consistent results. I'll have to go through those old threads. BTW Do you look like Yosemite Sam? That's the image I have every time I read your name lol

What?   lol  3million rpm?

TB, have you ever knocked it off a bit and things go nuts? Like burning into the container.
Im surprised that the magnet holds together. Dyson got 100krpm, and I thought that was insane. ;]

Is there a vid of that?  Even Jims 250k, Id love to see. At those speeds, ya should be able to get some huge output from a couple turns of thickness as a gen coil, I might think.  Thats just crazy dudes.

MaGs