My Invention

[JouleSeeker]

  Jim, I suggest you build a working model and not worry about US patents -- which will almost certainly not be granted in such a way as to protect your intellectual property anyway.
Abundant evidence tells us that patents these days protect the profits of big corporations, not the little inventor.

We've had numerous discussions on patents and why NOT to pursue these (wasting time and money) on these forums. 

  OTOH, you can still turn a reasonable and well-deserved financial return AND benefit humanity IF you proceed wisely, sans US patent.  I would be glad to re-iterate and discuss a path here -- but frankly a WORKING PROTOTYPE is step ONE.

Best wishes,
Dr. Jones

[johnny874]

  @TK,
Would've liked to have had a family, Everybody I knew thought that was a bad idea. Right now, will need one more surgery before I can return to work.

@Dr. Jones, about the only gravity device that could benefit people would be Bessler's wheel. I may not have the wood working skills needed to build it. One of his wheels could be powerful enough to generate 500 watts. While that might not seem like much, in some places it would mean a water supply.
Still, if someone wants to try this, why not ?
It might not be the Earth shattering news everyone expects it to. Instead, they might find out that like anything else, it takes time and effort to make anything happen. You know, no miraculous discoveries that change things over night.

[johnny874]

  Jim, I suggest you build a working model and not worry about US patents -- which will almost certainly not be granted in such a way as to protect your intellectual property anyway.
Abundant evidence tells us that patents these days protect the profits of big corporations, not the little inventor.

We've had numerous discussions on patents and why NOT to pursue these (wasting time and money) on these forums. 

  OTOH, you can still turn a reasonable and well-deserved financial return AND benefit humanity IF you proceed wisely, sans US patent.  I would be glad to re-iterate and discuss a path here -- but frankly a WORKING PROTOTYPE is step ONE.

Best wishes,
Dr. Jones

  Dr. Jones,
it is a big company that would make this invention profitable. that's reality. And if the patent rights go to charity, isn't that humanitariumism ?
After all, if I have to build each one, would lose potential sells. Also, it is a lot of work just engineering one let alone building it also. I haven't seen a working perpetual motion machine or over unity device yet.
And if you look at what gravity can do, look at a water wheel. that would be a realistic idea of how much power gravity could develop into commercial power. Bessler realized this potential. I won't discuss his work any more until succh time as I can return to work and have better circumstances to work under. After all, i have tried fo the last couple of years and it seems the people in the forum's lack the engineering background to understand how a water wheel could be made into a working perpetual motion machine. it seems most people can't move past what they know to learn from someone else's work like Bessler's.
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[johnny874]

johny
Thanks for sharing your ideas, My mind is to small to model all those connections and motions ,I envy your obvious ability to play with these ideas.
   There is a member here [EM Devices] that recently advocated the pendulum as a possible OU source while dropping , perhaps you can have a look here

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1489.0

Thank you
Chet
PS
Bill good to see you around. [""Now"" is a very good time to be around.................!:.]
PPS
Always good to see TK too.

  Chet,
I did some basic math working in values of 9.8n-m and realized that at 45 degrees, a 1kg weight drop 29.3 cm's would generate .08 kg's (80 grams) of force.
I am not sure if you are familiar with Milkovic's Pendulum ( http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/indexEng.htm ), but I think I happened across why his invention is able to perform more work than what is input into it. In some ways, it might be simple leverage working with the force of a moving weight. When the weight is moving towards the cross beams pivot, it has less force vertically allow his invention to tilt to the right. And when the weight swings away from the pivot, think two right angles here, the force of the weight being further from the pivot tilts the cross beam in that direction. This could be what they have not understood about his invention.
So basically, I am borrowing heavily from his work which is one reason why I don't mind referencing his accomplishments.
In fact, if what I understand does work, then it might help him with what has motivated him in his pursuits. And with me, I do happen to like Johann Bessler's work which is where if I have to give up something to get something, that's okay, I'll still come out better off.
In some ways. it's kind of nice being able to understand these things, but not worth much if nothing comes from it.
In the pic, if you notice how much closer the weight is to the pivot means it's applying the much less force to the fulcrum. This is because the rules of leverage apply pretty much the same as they normally would.

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[Newton II]

   @All,
  A cleaner drawing. The one I will build will use a deck with cleats. Somewhat of a homeage
to my having been around ships.
If the release line is attached to the top part of the catch mechnism, then when the line is pulled
taut, it should release the swinging weight. The weight can have the rod to the fulcrum going
through it. This will allow it to slide slightly up it as it pushes the catch mechanism away before
the catch mechanism moves under the swinging weight to catch it on it's return movement. it is this line which will
time the movement or rocking/tilting of the cross beam. The catch mechanism can catch pins that are located on the
sides of the weights. This means that there woulld be 2 catch mechanisms working together, one for each side of the
weight.
The cross beam's motion can be controlled by stops placed on the cross beam which interact with the
main support that the cross beam pivots on.
The pulley for the opposing weight can be attached to the main support at about an angle of 45 degrees.
This will allow the force the line places on the pin or pulley to be in the direction of the support.
The basic size from center pivot of the cross bem to the center of the pin for the swing weight is
12" (inches). The cross beam is centered length wise to maintain it's balance between left and right.

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And to modify the agreement I posted, I do not work with private builders associated with the Arrache build group.
This includes AB Hammer.
                                                                                                         James . Lindgaard

Hello Jim,


I don't   understand how that thing is going to work.    I assume the pendulam shown in the drawing is suspended by a solid rod.  This pendulam moves in a arc of a circle but not in straight line.  An arc of a circle has only one tangent at a given point.  So your weight when caught in the catching arrangement,  it can neither move upwards nor downwards  because for moving upwards it has to bend the belt in the form of arc described by the moving ball  and for moving downwards from the catch it has to be released from the catch because the arc path of movement of ball will be far away from the belt.   In either case it will not gain any energy.

Any over unity builder has to keep in mind :

It is impossible to make a single system pepetual because  Whatever adjustments you do, action and reaction will cancell off at some point to reach equilibrium.   

Whether to perform overunity work or underunity work,  you need a External force

Newton's third law can be re-written as " ACTION CANNOT BE PERFORMED WITHOUT EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION" .   When you stand on a loose ground and try to lift a weight,   you will go inside the ground and weight will not come up.

You can build a overunity device with two systems;  one driver and one driven  with output more than the input  but making a single system perpetual is impossible.



Newton