Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

[gyulasun]

Hi Fausto,

One question:  how would you utilize the higher flux if you had it from the longer wire?  Lenz law will react on it in the same way as it normally does, no?

Another thing: if you think of normal coil shapes (multilayer cylindrical), then the dynamic fluxchange would be different at switch-on, than for the case of the static case.  IF you wind a coil with X inductance from a certain wire diameter and "l" wire length and it would have say 3 Ohm DC resistance, and then you would wind a coil with a thicker wire and "10*l" wire length to get the same 3 Ohm DC resistance, it is obvious that this latter coil would have higher than X inductance and for a static case this latter would make a stronger electromagnet than the first coil, and DC input power would be same if you use the same DC source.  BUT the moment you start pulsing these coils, then their AC impedance is what counts and the second coil will surely have a higher AC impedance than the first.  So how do you think this?

Thanks, Gyula

[ltseung888]

 

So you do not care if your results and reports are accurate? Astounding. Even if it's wrong, and due to your incorrect measurements?? Lawrence, what are you thinking? YOU must be worried about whether your extraordinary claims are true or not, yes? You don't even care if you are accurate, you've already decided that you are right..... even though I've pointed out many things you have been doing wrong..... What are you thinking? Lawrence..... have you been reading my posts?

*** There is one overriding thought. I was in hospital and realized that I might see the Almighty any moment. In USA, someone tried to run me over. A man tried to break-in my home in Hong Kong and scared my daughter. Both my home computer and the office computer at BSI have been hacked. 

I have JTs sitting here in front of me that have the exact same circuit as your boards, and I have other units that FAR OUTPERFORM those, both in terms of instantaneous output power, and low voltage/current input requirements, thanks to groundloop and gadgetmall and the other builders who DO care about accuracy and correct measurements. You do not need to send me anything except what I've asked you for:
++The instruction/owner's manual for your scope.++

*** Google Atten Oscilloscope Manual.


++The _exact_ circuit schematic you are using, ONE circuit, including the positioning of ALL measurement probe leads, ground wires, power supply connections etc.++

*** See the summary page on nov 22a1.xls.  You will find the schematics, the photos and the exact points for the various probes.  I do not have a specific ground wire.  The position of the power supply connections is clearly marked on the schematics and on the photo.

I will continue to help you.... I am interested in preventing you from falling on your face in public.... so once again I recommend strongly that you BACK OFF and be completely sure.... in a REAL SCIENTIFIC SENSE, not a faith sense.... that your claims are correct.

*** I now have a number of volunteers (retired electrical engineering professors, rocket scientists, mathematicians, physicists, bankers, LED store owners) helping me to do the thorough double, triple checks.  I welcome help from all places simultaneously.

If you can't even prove them to a willing Koala over the internet, you will be wasting your time and money sending off your boards to your sacred "top Universities". If you do not want to take my advice, that is of course up to you. In that case, I will continue to challenge you on your claims, without being willing to help you refine them. The onus of proof is ON YOU. We can work together in the interests of determining the real truth, or you can work alone..... but you will still need to find the truth, one way or the other.

*** Do not worry about my wasting money.  An investor has already given me a platinum Visa card with an upper limit that will allow me to go visit any of the top Universities.

I think you will find that "top Universities" have what they might call a "crackpot file". Are you a cracked pot, that leaks and is so brittle that it will shatter at the first challenge, or are you sound and strong, ringing like a bell with clarity and resonance when you are tested with the hammer? Into which file should you be placed, the "crackpot" file, or the file of continuing interest and cooperation? It's up to you..... and we all know to which pile you've been assigned in the past.

*** I was at Tsinghua University three years ago.  I know how they treat "crackpots" – free meals and lodging; private conferences; use of lab facilities; meeting with Professors and Research Students and a recorded lecture to Students.  One of the Lawyers took the prototype Lead-out Energy Research Kit to Columbia University.  He showed the lighting of the 38 LEDs making up BSI without battery for over 20 minutes after touching it with the battery for 10 seconds.  He assembled the circuit from the Kit.  The response was – when will you send the oscilloscope-test-ready board?"

When I looked back, the lead-out theory was revealed to me in July 2004.  That showed leading kinetic energy of air molecules.  In Dec 2004, the second Divine Revelation on leading-out gravitational energy was revealed.  We spent four years building the Tong Wheel.  It worked and the objection was – you cannot rely on voltmeters and ampmeters for such measurements.  We got the Atten Oscilloscopes.  We had dozens of toroids.  I used the Output Vpp over Input Vpp as comparison Index.  Some Internet users told me that was totally useless.  Fortunately I ignored them and kept my records.  The totally useless high Index toroids NOW turned out to be good candidates for overunity research and implementation.

***I believe the Almighty will guide me.  I pray and listen to the message from my heart.  If you know that I had two strokes and recovered via prayer, you will realize that I do not rely on human wisdom or logic.  I already KNOW that lead-out energy is real.  It is just a matter of timing from the Almighty to let the World taste the Divine Wine.  Your suggestion of use DC instead of AC coupling is very helpful.  But you probably already know that the waveform comparisons using DC and AC coupling are similar.  I can be wrong on the details but right in the general direction.

[NickZ]

  "  how would you utilize the higher flux if you had it from the longer wire"? 
 
   We would use it to light bulbs brighter when using equal or less input. That is where the ferrite cores help to provide more output, from shorter wire or less turns, than when using the longer wire higher turn air cores, iron powder cores, etz...
  We are talking about Joule Thief type circuits here, not other mechanical devices.
  This is what we have seen in our experiments, and this is common knowledge even in basic electronics  transformer circuitry.
  I don't mean to butt in, but If this is all wrong... please explain.
                                                                                                 NickZ

[TinselKoala]

It is perfectly easy to show that a flow of current is necessary for Newman's motor --- or any "voltage" motor, even the electrostatic Enhanced Franklin Motor that I exhibited earlier. Simply hook the motor to a voltage source that isn't being supplied with outside power, and monitor the voltage. Does the voltage on your battery or capacitor decrease faster when the motor is hooked up, than it does when the motor is not hooked up?

Hey, current is current. A magnetic field depends on amp-turns, not amp-kilogrammes. A ten turn coil of copper busbar weighing nine kilos will have the same magnetic field as a ten turn coil of the same dimensions but made of tiny copper wire, as long as the current thru them is the same.
And microAmps, picoAmps, even femtoAmps.... still current, and will still make magnetic fields. Send 97 picoAmps thru your nine-kilo busbar coil and it will make the same field as 97 picoAmps thru a ten turn coil of #40 magnet wire. Try it!

The point about mechanical commutation and switching such a heavy coil under such small currents is a good one, though. There could be all kinds of crazy things happening in a mechanical commutator switching a couple hundred volts into a load of tens or hundreds of Hy inductance.

ETA: Please let's not get picky about the different self-inductances of the same total cross-sectional area ( hence same resistance per unit length) but different shapes.

[TinselKoala]

@Lawrence: I am so jealous.

It's clear that I have nothing to offer you and that you are far ahead of me in obtaining funding.

But I am far, FAR ahead of you in attaining what you would no doubt call "overunity" results.

Will you please inform your investors and your top University scientists that I have JTs that far outperform yours? I am ready to prove this contention at any time, and my devices are ready to be tested NOW. I'd rather work together with you than to compete with you...... but after all, a Platinum Visa card is quite a carrot.

(The only problem I see is that I am not prepared to claim that any of my devices are actually overunity.)

(By the way, I have heard of Google and I do know how to use it. When I ask you for a manual, I don't expect to be referred to Google; I think it would be courteous of you to provide an actual link, since I neither speak Chinese nor know just what model of Atten scope you have. But of course all that is moot now anyway. I found an Atten manual and it gave me some of the information I needed: the scope is NOT isolated from the mains ground and the probe references are connected together and to the chassis ground.)

● Ground the Product. This product is grounded through the grounding conductor
of the power cord. To avoid electric shock, the grounding conductor must be
connected to earth ground. Before making connections to the input or output
terminals of the product, ensure that the product is properly grounded.
● Connect the Probe Properly. The probe ground lead is at ground potential. Do not
connect the ground lead to an elevated voltage.