Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

[plengo]

MH:


thank you again for the response. I understand what you are saying. Previous Newman's motors are notorious for small diameter wires. One guy once even mention how crazy he was to coil one of his gigantic motors with tiny little wires like gauge 36.


That is what I was trying to raze to you. If it is indeed small gauge like that I don't think he can even spin that motor. Can he? Is too little current.


I agree with what you said about the voltage and so on on the coils, no problem here.


Do you think it is possible the statement that "the amount of input power has nothing to do with the strength of the magnetic field created"? I know you will say it is dependent on current and inductance and wire size or area and turns and so on, but for a moment, knowing what you know of the laws of induction, is this statement correct or not?


many thanks,


Fausto.

[gyulasun]

  "  how would you utilize the higher flux if you had it from the longer wire "? 
 
   We would use it to light bulbs brighter when using equal or less input. That is where the ferrite cores help to provide more output, from shorter wire or less turns, than when using the longer wire higher turn air cores, iron powder cores, etz...
  We are talking about Joule Thief type circuits here, not other mechanical devices.
  This is what we have seen in our experiments, and this is common knowledge even in basic electronics  transformer circuitry.
  I don't mean to butt in, but If this is all wrong... please explain.
                                                                                                 NickZ

Hi Nick,

I know the topic here is on joule thief circuits and sorry for a slight off topic, I simply tried to answer plengo's question which was in general (apart from joule thiefs) on more flux from longer wire at the same input power. Of course as you say shorter wire is preferred and increase inductance by using ferrite (or other better quality) cores in case of joule thiefs, I agree, this does not sound to me wrong.

rgds, Gyula

[NickZ]

  Gyula:
   I know that you know... nothing new there. Just thought that I'd add that in, just in case there was something else that I was not aware of. 
   Thanks for the reply.
   There is one more thing...  it now seams that we can have a solid state device that can run on just voltage, and still provide for a useable output, with no real current as we know it. This probably has to do with frequency, or possibly even something else.
  As I value your input... what do you, or anyone else think about this type of device(s)
                                                                                                         
   NickZ
   

[gyulasun]

Hi Nick,

I apologize for not thoroughly following progress on joule thief circuits here or other forums so could you point me to schematics on such solid state circuits,  I do now like wading through too many pages if that would be the case.

EDIT  My bad, I think you meant joule thiefs in general and in this respect I think that if extra flux could be brought into the core from an outside permanent magnet so that the this flux and the 'normal' JT flux be summed up in the core then maybe some progress could be had. I will ponder on this how it might be possible.
What Gadget just reported here http://www.overunity.com/6123/jule-thief/msg346371/#msg346371 is also promising, hopefully replicateable by many.


Thanks,  Gyula

[ltseung888]

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1516.msg26794#new


The magic of the Joule Thief is revealed in the thread above.


The explanation file is attached.


The situations where Average Output Power was greater than Average Input Power were shown.
The situations when Average Input and Output Power turned negative were also shown.


We can now "resonance tune" the FLEET circuits.  A FLEET circuit is different from a JT circuit in that it is resonance-tuned.  Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer.  We can claim Forever because energy is lead-out or brought-in.  That Electromagnetic Energy is the Electron Motion Energy of the atoms from the surrounding environment.  There is NO violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.


The circuit can cool the environment?


*** Edited to put in graph.   Note the comarison of Output Power and Input Power over a 20 minute interval.  Resonance tuning and estimating how much energy can be lead-out is now a piece of cake.***


God Bless.