Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

[TinselKoala]

@TK:

See http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1516.msg24855#msg24855
Reply 2 on 2012-8-22.

See Slides 4, 6, 8 of the pdf file.   Slide 4 showed 300 LEDs in my bedroom.  Slide 6 showed the team first achieved OU in 2010.  Slide 8 showed 1,000 LEDS at G-LED USA.

Ah... you are using a 2n3055 and much more than a single AA battery to light your "thousands" of LEDs.

When you first mentioned this number, I thought we were talking about your 2n2222 circuit and low input power. I am not interested in using higher input power.

Please take a look at this 2n3055 JT which lights up six NE-2 neons in series, which require 90 volts each. My power source is a single, depleted AAA battery. Your oscilloscope measuring technique and tools would find an amazing COP for this little puppy.

[TinselKoala]

@Lawrence: Thank you for reporting your results, including your recent "bad news". You have encountered the typical problem that happens when batteries are "pulse-charged" by spiky, relatively high voltage pulses. This imparts a "fluffy charge" which reads as a raised voltage, but does NOT in fact indicate an increased energy storage in the battery. It's as if some of the "back rank" reserve soldiers have been brought to the front line to add to voltage, but some of them go home instead -- never to return. So you wind up with fewer total "soldiers" even though you have more on the front line at your voltmeter.
Further, the spiky charging eventually damages even the most robust lead acid battery types and causes loss of overall performance. There may be a solution to this latter problem, by avoiding spikes and using known, low voltage, current-limited charging regimes. But then you don't get your fluffy charge, either.

[TinselKoala]

That is very funny. Rose not only thinks Tk is Brian Little, but she thinks I have many aliases. lol. And she points me out as if I am saying something against Lawrence here.

Do you feel that I am working against you Lawrence?    Rose apparently thinks so. She is a strange bird. I only offered some knowledge from my experience with nimh batteries. AND Im ordering a test board, because I saw the results presented and I need to see it for myself.

Rose claims to have found proof of the Higgs Boson before it was 'really' seen, or identified, just the other day.
I suppose she uses the same method to 'imply' that TK and I are many people.

Rose, Just who else do you think I am here, just for giggles?
Jimmy da Higg, from Boson? lol

Isnt it ironic that she herself has used many names? Even here to get by being banned so she can post. Almost criminal. Heck, I was banned from OUR and for the most part I was defending Rose at the time. I am no longer banned as I came to terms with Poynt, and I was wrong. And I not once used a fictitious name to log into OUR during the time I was banned like she did here, many times with many names.

Jimmy da Higg, from Boson 

Now the idiot loon thinks she's closing in on the elusive "Brian (or Bryan) Little". And she can't seem to make up her mind whether I am you, you are me, or we are all together (goo goo g'joob).
She's accusing Brian Little of THEFT ! I sure hope her imaginary lawyers are paying attention... and I sure hope she actually does contact this Bryan Little person she thinks she's identified.

ETA: As it happens (I just checked) the University of Texas has NINE campuses and SIX medical research health centers and hospitals scattered all across the state. And I haven't set foot in any one of them in twenty years. 

[ltseung888]

Ah... you are using a 2n3055 and much more than a single AA battery to light your "thousands" of LEDs.

When you first mentioned this number, I thought we were talking about your 2n2222 circuit and low input power. I am not interested in using higher input power.

Please take a look at this 2n3055 JT which lights up six NE-2 neons in series, which require 90 volts each. My power source is a single, depleted AAA battery. Your oscilloscope measuring technique and tools would find an amazing COP for this little puppy.

@TK

If you are willing, I can arrange one or more testers to test your "puppy" and post the resulting COP (together with the full oscilloscope analysis).  I believe you, Bill and many others already have OU greater than 1  (as measured by my technique) circuits with Net Average Negative Input Power.

@testers

Tester J suggested that I recharge the "bad" battery using conventional means (supplied battery charger) and repeat.  It worked.  The battery could be "recharged" again by my boards.  But this means providing energy from known sources.  I prefer to keep using the two "good and still working" rechargeable AA batteries and see their voltages in the next few days - while lighting the 38 LEDs to full brightness at the same time.

[Magluvin]

Now the idiot loon thinks she's closing in on the elusive "Brian (or Bryan) Little". And she can't seem to make up her mind whether I am you, you are me, or we are all together (goo goo g'joob).
She's accusing Brian Little of THEFT ! I sure hope her imaginary lawyers are paying attention... and I sure hope she actually does contact this Bryan Little person she thinks she's identified.

ETA: As it happens (I just checked) the University of Texas has NINE campuses and SIX medical research health centers and hospitals scattered all across the state. And I haven't set foot in any one of them in twenty years.

Im Jimmy see, myeah. Jimmy da Higg, myeah see. She tinks she put da lock on me see, myeah. Willy n da boys sez dey are wit me on diss, see. Myeah. She tinks she found da Higgs wit da choppa see. Aint no choppa gunna get me see, myeah.

Jimmy da Higg  from Boson