Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

[ltseung888]

 I shall go to the funeral service of my secondary school science teacher, Mr. Tam, on April 2, 2013.  I still remember the first question at his first science lesson.

"What is the shortest distance between two points?"  I thought that I had the answer.  I felt that I had the answer.  It was obvious.  But I could not give the answer at that time.   The answer was – "a straight line".  Even though I embarrassed myself in front of the Class for not providing the answer, I felt in love with Science ever since.

He also raised some non-obvious scientific phenomena.  Does a heavier object fall faster than a lighter one?  My initial reaction was YES.  That was wrong but many wise people in the early centuries also believed the wrong answer.

The classic one is – is the Earth round or flat?  My untrained answer is that it must be round because the sun and the moon are round.  Then I learned the story of Galileo.   He was forced by the Church to say that the Earth was flat even though he knew from all his observation that the Earth was round.

The most important lesson I learned from Mr. Tam was – in science, one needs to make careful observations and experiments.  One can make assumptions or hypothesis.  However, the hypothesis must be backed up by experiments.  Even if one of the experiments contradicts the hypothesis, the hypothesis cannot be turned into a Physical Law.  The hypothesis must be modified or dropped all together.

We are facing the same situation in FLEET.  We have many confirmed prototypes that show Average Output Power greater than Average Input Power.  This contradicts the Law of Conservation of Energy.  Some members in the Forum yelled that the Experiments must be wrong.  They refuse to look into the possibility of energy coming from the environment or Lead-out Energy.  Who will turn out to be the true scientists?

I do hope that Mr. Tam will rest in peace knowing that at least one of his students is willing to fight for Scientific Truth.  Amen.

[TinselKoala]

Board 83 and Board 84 for Prof. Steven Jones (PhysicsProf).

The initial package appeared to be lost.  A new package will be sent.  This new package will have two oscilloscopet test ready boards (83 and 84).  Prof. Jones has the Atten Oscilloscope and is in the position of verifying the analysis directly.

I am usng the Zhou technique - just test using the oscilloscope on Input Waveform and see if the current has net negative value.

May the Almighty guide us to benefit the World together.

Why are the frequencies of the two boards 83 and 84 so different? One is almost three times faster than the other one. Is this an experimental error?

Your REAL current does not have "net negative value", because if it did, your input batteries/capacitors would charge up, and keep charging up, and keep charging up....... The fact that they do not, indicates that your "net negative current value" is an artefact of some kind.

As I said before.... your only evidence for any COP other than unity is from your particular spreadsheet analyses of your instrumental measurements. You have absolutely no concurrent validity demonstrating that your measurements are correct. It is possible to construct manifestly NON-overunity devices that show the same negative input current artefact that you are showing. But it is not possible for you to provide any other, concurrent, demonstration that your devices are OU in any way. Your OU is only in your measurements and calculations, nowhere else.

[ltseung888]

Why are the frequencies of the two boards 83 and 84 so different? One is almost three times faster than the other one. Is this an experimental error?

@TK

There were no experimental errors.  Every board was hand-built and possibly by different individuals.  Variations in toroid winding, soldering technique and component positioning would give rise to different results.  Some boards did not show OU at all.  Such boards were rejected.  The passing criteria by Mr. Zhou was examination of the Negative Current waveform.

*** I have stated many times before - not all JTs show OU even though they all light up the LEDs.  The oscilloscope must be used to select - especially when the Boards are produced in the garage fashion.


It does not matter about concurrent validity checks at this point.  I am only interested in other testers producing same results with their oscilloscopes.  That will elminiate any experimental or equipment errors.  One step at a time.

@poynt99

When will you be able to hook up Board 33 to your 4 channel oscilloscope?  Thank you in advance.

[ltseung888]

Your REAL current does not have "net negative value", because if it did, your input batteries/capacitors would charge up, and keep charging up, and keep charging up....... The fact that they do not, indicates that your "net negative current value" is an artefact of some kind.

http://youtu.be/zBR9lO2ISGs

@TK

The pulse charging mechanism is more complicated than you thought.  The Battery Voltage fluctuates and the trend can go UP or DOWN.  At present, if the trend is UP, I let the recharging continue.  If the trend is DOWN, I disconnect the battery.  I may insert another battery or just let the battery "rest".  With such monitoring, I managed to get a 1.26V rechargeable battery (energizer) to recharge back to over 1.4V. 


However, when I was not monitoring, the rundown trend might continue.  The Battery Voltage could drop to <1V and no amount of Pulse Charging can bring it up again.  If I use normal recharging (from the commercial recharger), the Battery can be recharged again.  Many researchers reported that such a process would shorten the life of the Battery.  Similar behavior on the 12V car battery recharger was reported by teams trained by me.  They claimed that they might have solved the problem.  How???

*** A better video showing the BSI Demo Board recharging the Input Rechargeable AA Battery and lighting 38 LEDs at the same time.  This 3 minute video clearly shows that the battery voltage increased from 0.809V to 0.870V in around 3 minutes while lighting 38 LEDs.  What is the source of this energy?  Lead-out Energy!

http://youtu.be/FRUBuuh8whQ

[poynt99]

@poynt99

When will you be able to hook up Board 33 to your 4 channel oscilloscope?  Thank you in advance.

I am hoping to work on it Monday, as I am off that day.