Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

[ltseung888]

Ah, so now we have negative output power as well as negative input power.  I shake my head slowly in awe.

Lawrence, I have asked you to provide traces from your scope's calibrator, so that we can see the probe response to a known square wave signal generated by the scope itself. I'll ask again now.

Please provide a calibrator trace from each probe, as they are at present, without making any adjustments to the probe's compensating trimmer cap.

I would also like to know if your readings are at all sensitive to the way the probe wires are routed. That is, with everything hooked up and running, if you move the probe wires around (not the probe contact points, just the wires) do the scope traces change at all?

Thanks in advance, and happy Chinese Easter.

@TK

Is this what you are looking for?

[ltseung888]

Mr. Tseung,
I have enjoyed your posts, not only for the promise they contain regarding the Joule Theif, and its future devleopments, but also because you give God credit where credit is due. You mentioned you had tried to be a farmer, and wound up doing this research. I can relate in my own way, and your message was a helpful reminder that God's grace is leading us all to where He can best use us. May your work continue to flourish and accomplish all He has chosen for you to do. 
Bob


PS
By way of interest, there is a fellow named Janost on the Donald Smith Devices - Too Good To Be True thread in the Energetic Forum, who claims that a version of the JT he built has been recharging batteries as it runs.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-299.html#post226633

Janost's Self-oscillating Air-cored JT
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-300.html#post227244
Janost Schematic JT Charging 2 Batteries:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-302.html#post227922
Janost's JT run on caps:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-304.html#post228243

It looks like FLEET is not the only way to achieve OU.

[poynt99]

 
@poynt99

Answers to your questions.
(1)    On the Board with the 10F capacitor, do the following tests:
a.       Do what you have done.  Connect the 1.5V battery for 1 minute.  Disconnect and see how long the LEDs remain ON.  15 minutes is about right for your Board.
b.      Connect the 1.5V battery for 1 minute.  Disconnect for 2 minutes.  Connect for 15 seconds.  Disconnect for 2 minutes and reconnect for 15 seconds.  Repeat this manually a couple of times and see if the LED remains brightly ON throughout the entire process.
c.       Step b shows the possibility of saving electricity.  If you have a twin timer, repeat step b automatically.

1)
a. Actually, it is at least 15 minutes.

c. How would this process possibly save energy?

2) I'll try my best to do these tests.

[ltseung888]

1)
a. Actually, it is at least 15 minutes.

c. How would this process possibly save energy?

2) I'll try my best to do these tests.

@poynt99
a. Actually, it is at least 15 minutes.  Excellent.  This is the expected result.

c. How would this process possibly save energy?  This concept and technique was implemented with different set up to a vertical farm.  Details are commercial secrets.  Claimed savings in electricity bill > 50%.
*** One common misconception when a super capacitor is in the circuit - Energy is just stored in the capacitor and then released slowly.  The oscilloscope waveforms and analysis show a different story - Energy is Lead-out or brought-in. 

2) I'll try my best to do these tests.  You can just show the waveforms first.  The most interesting will be the Input Current Waveform.  If the negatve portion appears to be more than the positive portion, you have negative Average Input Power.  That is a good sign of OU - technique used by Mr. Zhou.

[poynt99]

c. How would this process possibly save energy?  This concept and technique was implemented with different set up to a vertical farm.  Details are commercial secrets.  Claimed savings in electricity bill > 50%.
*** One common misconception when a super capacitor is in the circuit - Energy is just stored in the capacitor and then released slowly.  The oscilloscope waveforms and analysis show a different story - Energy is Lead-out or brought-in. 

Let's say for example, that the total amount of energy drained from the charged capacitor is 30J. How do you know Lawrence that you did not transfer that much energy (actually double) from the battery?