Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

[ltseung888]

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Hi All,

I read throught this webpage and found this piece of research eye opening.Notice amp drop and increase in frequency.I would also want to know about the duty cycle too.

http://www.talkingelectronics.com/projects/LEDTorchCircuits/LEDTorchCircuits-P1.html

Ged



@GED:

I read through your website.  It showed much great research was done on the LED torch.  Most researchers do similar things – improve the circuit; light up more LEDs; increase the life of the battery or do some recharging.

My approach is somewhat different.  I assume that there are extra energy lead-out or brought-in from the Environment.  Thus the focus of the research is:

(1) Measure Pin and Pout and compare.
(2) The way to get Instantaneous Power is to capture the Instantaneous Voltage and Instantaneous Current.  Then multiply them together.  This can only be done on a Digital Storage oscilloscope(DSO).
(3) Apparently, very few researchers approach the research from this angle.  Much time and energy is being spent in this forum on – whether the DSO was calibrated correctly; whether the connections were done properly; etc. 
(4) Most of those who posted questions do not have DSOs to do the experiments themselves.  They all have good experience in building Joule Thief circuits.
(5) My research focused on proving and confirming that the Average Output Energy can indeed be higher than the Average Input Energy (COP > 1).
(6) The posted experimental evidence is that the Input Current can be in the positive or negative direction – giving rise to positive or negative Average Input Power.
(7) That implied drawing energy from the Battery or recharging the battery.
(8) The COP can be very large (either positive or negative) because the Input Current can cross the zero axis.  This means current flowing in both directions.  It is NOT the conventional AC.  It is pulsed in nature.
(9) A theoretical model assuming a "hidden" pulsing source in the circuit could explain all the experimental observations.  This "hidden" pulsing source is the Lead-out Energy.

The value of the research is NOT in understanding or improving the Joule Thief Circuit.  It is in the confirmation that Energy can be Lead-out.  This opens the floodgate for many other circuits – Lasersaber Joule Ringer, Steven Mark TPU etc.

Continue your brilliant research.  Get a DSO and DC Power Supply.  God Bless.

[poynt99]

(3) Apparently, very few researchers approach the research from this angle.  Much time and energy is being spent in this forum on – whether the DSO was calibrated correctly; whether the connections were done properly; etc. 

Lawrence, I would disagree.

In my opinion, not nearly enough time and effort is spent by folks here on proper measurement procedures.

[gmeast]

Lawrence, I would disagree.

In my opinion, not nearly enough time and effort is spent by folks here on proper measurement procedures.

"... proper measurement procedures." .... YOU? ... amazing!

[MileHigh]

"... proper measurement procedures." .... YOU? ... amazing!

I will vouch for Poynt and state that his measurement skills and overall electronics knowledge are excellent.  I am very good at qualifying and I have known him for years now.

You are just trash talking, and in your heart you must know that yourself.  You can't be that dumb to not sense the truth about Poynt.

[TinselKoala]

S'matter with you MH? Don't you know who you are talking to? Why, between Gmeast, JLN and Fabrice Andre, the world will be swimming in overunity teapots and cooktops before you can say "Little Miss Mosfet". Everything they touch turns to OU, and "Pin Pout" measurement is totally unnecessary to prove it. Of course, extracting anything _useful_ from any of their systems has proven.... rather difficult..... and concurrent validity is lacking, just as it is in the present case. But that's just an engineering problem. Right?

You have just got to laugh at these people. Their idiocy knows no bounds.

The self-proclaimed experts such as poynty-head have invested so much hate-driven resources into their "...PIN POUT measurement(s) ..." techniques, they have forgotten their 1st-year, high school physics. That goes for that TK loser. These people are so incredibly impressed with themselves it sickens me ... but it's laughable at the same time. (TK ... you can drive a MAC Truck through that sxxxx bxxxxxx yxxx fxxxx txxxx ... WOW!). Sorry for the cheap-shot.

And yet, gmeast sweetie ... you cannot refute me with facts, checkable outside references, or demonstrations of your own. You can only sling your filth, like a caged and insane little monkey. Nor can you present a coherent argument..... instead you say "TK ... you can drive a MAC Truck through that sxxxx bxxxxxx yxxx fxxxx txxxx ... WOW!)"  Have you and Ainslie heard from Brian Little's lawyers yet, troll?