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[johnny874]

bill,
post a wheel that is gravity powered. magnets are not considered perpetual motion.

[Aemilius]

Pirate88179 "Very nice to meet you sir. I do agree with you but, we do have to remember that this is quite a large site and there are, I am sure, some large expenses associated with that. If Stefan (the forum owner) can generate some revenue by adding those links to off-set the costs involved, i don't see that as being too bad a thing."

Point taken.... thanks for the welcome.

johnny874 "....post a wheel that is gravity powered. magnets are not considered perpetual motion."

Not so fast.... the jury is still out on that one.

[CuriousChris]

   CC,
With Bessler's wheel, I am trying to demonstrate that Bessler's claims are legitamate.
This does not allow me to claim that I am the invetor. I have known other people who are interested in seeing a Bessler wheel work.
It may be that a principle as simple as 8 pumps working sequentially is something they can not uncerstand.
One thing I am keeping in the back of my mind is my test wheel might be able to be cleaned up for use as an attempt at a working wheel.
I think what some dislike is that Bessler
himself said he built many wheels. I've built quite a few myself so I could better understand how much over balance is needed and what might be good ways to conserve momentum. The design I'm working on is the best solution,

edited to add; Chris, would be best for me to wait until I have a place to work. I hoped to find someone to work with who had a place to work but something critics discourage.
Next month I will be going on long term disability which means thirty days of no income. This means about all I can do is try and work out some of the mechanics and try to come up with a design I like that won't be to difficult to build. One reason why is the wheel would need at least 16 primary levers. Then there is the gears they would work with.

I wish you the best of luck then

Just keep this in mind.

Bessler claimed 300 years ago to have invented his wheel.
Only one person other than him saw its insides.
There is ZERO proof it worked (testimony is not proof, its hearsay)
His maid admitted to the fraud.
He destroyed the machine about that time. My belief is to ensure no one could verify the maids account of how the wheel worked.
Since then many many people have tried. Not one has succeeded in 300 years.

I think the odds are pretty high that it cannot be done. That hasnt stopped me from toying with different designs though. But nothing I have come up with so far can work and I am pretty ingenious, But I would never claim to be smarter than 300 years worth of effort.


CC

[johnny874]

I wish you the best of luck then

Just keep this in mind.

Bessler claimed 300 years ago to have invented his wheel.
Only one person other than him saw its insides.
There is ZERO proof it worked (testimony is not proof, its hearsay)
His maid admitted to the fraud.
He destroyed the machine about that time. My belief is to ensure no one could verify the maids account of how the wheel worked.
Since then many many people have tried. Not one has succeeded in 300 years.

I think the odds are pretty high that it cannot be done. That hasnt stopped me from toying with different designs though. But nothing I have come up with so far can work and I am pretty ingenious, But I would never claim to be smarter than 300 years worth of effort.


CC

   CC,
In reality, Bessler is the only person who can prove he built a wheel. because he did not do so at that time, all that can be demonstrated is that the work he left allows a person to believe he did.
With what I have had to tolerate to work on his wheel, I could understand why no one has pursued it with much diligence.
I have had my schooling in Propulsion Enginnering, machining, design engineering, etc., etc. discounted as being meaningless.
Bessler did say it would take a discerning eye to understand his drawings, you might say the devil is in the details. With Bessler's work, it is understanding the details that allows for his engineering to be understood. But I have done one thing differently than what I believe everybody else has done. Instead of discussing what I know, I discussed what Bessler knew.
And with the builds I did, it helped me to understand what to look for in his drawings. Be it as it may, people prefer his words which he said he wrote for speculators.
But as I've said before, I am in the wrong place. trying to understand an obscure part of German History about a GRAVITY wheel someone built in a German forum that IS about using gravity to understand how an overunity invention might work is plain wrong. People whose work I have never seen is credible ebcause they are attacking me. I guess the mistake is all mine.
I shouldn't post my work when I believe what Bessler knew is like the Wright Bros. airplane, it was over everybody's heads because they went by what they knew. What the Wright Bros. did differently was to build a wind tunnel and tested wing designs. Such a simple thing really, testing idea's with a scale model before building the real thing.
Of course, my father worked for the Boeing Airplane Co. and did work in the Research and Devolopment department. Plus I worked there also and learned a lot about how Boeing tested ideas through destructive testing. I have worked for other companies that did destructive testing to ensure that the work being done was compliant with FAA standards.
But such experience is not considered credible in this forum. Only flaming someone is and with me, i think I am tired of it.
As AB Hammer siad, it is Bessler's wheel and anyone can build it. He is right about that but what he emant was that he could tell me what to do since i claimed to be working on Bessler's wheel. If he had a worth while idea, I would have thought differently but he really never took the time to learn something other than his armoring.
What AB hammer had to say about my concept of Bessler's wheel
>> Trevor

I did a quick modification of one of his pictures of how it will look. IMO
Now look at MT 66 to 69 and think of how much leverage not_me and what Bessler has in the MT's. The MT's have more leverage to move fluids. And this one will end up with to much weight below the 3 to 9 keel line and not enough to lift it over.<<
pg.4, Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:38 am
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3762&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=saw+lead+melting&start=75
What AB Hammer missed is that all the weights and all the levers create no over balance or under balance.
So curiousChris, I think the reason Bessler's wheel will never get built is a blow hard like Alan has to get credit for saying his lack of education allowed him to inderstand what people who went to school are to stupid to learn.
There are a few designs that could work that are not Bessler's and in the same thread I piosted where I made suggestions to Alan but as he said, his design ciould not be changed because it was better than working with someone and finding a solution.
Talk about ego !

p.s., the water could be kept at the 3 o'clock position if desired. The actuation of the levers would determine when they start exerting force on the pumps and how much force over what range of motion. Kind of like valve timing in a car. The cam has lift and duration and then the timing or firing of the spark plugs will determine before, at or after top dead center for firing. It all works together.

simply put CC, free energy comes from weighted levers falling as the wheel rotates. they can create more force than it requires to rotate the wheel.


edited to add; what no one with a computer bothered to do at besslerwheel dot com, rotate the drawing 90 degrees (2nd pic). myself, was dealing with severe medical issues which I still have  :-( but as I have been told, this forum does not care about a person's health, only their ability to do what they are told.

3rd pic shows about how levers actually move.

[johnny874]

Pirate88179 "Very nice to meet you sir. I do agree with you but, we do have to remember that this is quite a large site and there are, I am sure, some large expenses associated with that. If Stefan (the forum owner) can generate some revenue by adding those links to off-set the costs involved, i don't see that as being too bad a thing."

Point taken.... thanks for the welcome.

johnny874 "....post a wheel that is gravity powered. magnets are not considered perpetual motion."

Not so fast.... the jury is still out on that one.

   Emile,
you're missing the point. this is the gravity section of the forum. I am going to have to quit working in here. as bill said, he has wheels but I haven't seen anything. and what am I being attacked for ? I think it is as AB Hammer told me once, he is an American man married to an American woman. He  and Bill knows that my father is an immigrant.
And bill's friend tinselfkoala has accused me of posting an idea that is his but has had to show no proof when he claims to have some. bill and stefan want me to be nice to tk. not sure why.
readt the thread heron's fountain which bill started and then read the thread modified heron's fountain which I started. I was willing to work with bill and tinself koala but they were to good. instead, tk wanted credit for what I thought of.
don't see those guys pursuing anyone who lives in America that has a father (parent) from a different country.
of course, Bessler was half German and half Polish. it could be that because he had to live in 2 different cultures/societies that he could consider things from different perspectives. Could be why Einstein was so smart, German's hated Jews and Einstein was Jewish and left Germany I think in 1937. See a pattern forming here ?

  Bill, ewe and alan can have this forum. it's like alan asked me once, how big is my penis. he wasn't playing Jerry Sandusky but was asking me if I was as agressive as he is. Aggressive people don't have what it takes to elarn subtle nuances, could be why he is a metal smith that relies on his hammering to get his work done. might be all he knows.