Probality of God

[Gwandau]

Because it may not be the brain who creates your consciousness.
Maybe it is your consciousness who creates your physical experience of reality.
There is really no hardcore proof in any direction.

Only indications.

Gwandau

[Gwandau]

According to the Tibetan mystics,
consciousness represents a higher energy level than our physical reality.
Thus the so called physical world is a secondary effect and projected forth by consciousness.

This is fully possible, since it is very easy to misread an effect for a cause, if the
cause is not directly observable.

Remember that we are conditioned to experience reality the way we do since childhood,
and we all take a lot of things for granted.

My personal standpoint is quite open minded, I have not invested anything definite in any direction.

Gwandau

[hoptoad]

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IMO we have a destination..........
But thats just my opinion !
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Your opinion is as valid and important as anyone else's.

Cheers

[eatenbyagrue]

Because it may not be the brain who creates your consciousness.
Maybe it is your consciousness who creates your physical experience of reality.
There is really no hardcore proof in any direction.

Only indications.

Gwandau

This is theoretically possible, to the extent that anything is remotely possible.  But why do you think this is the case?  We have an idea of what thought and consciousness is within the physical brain (we know about neurons, we see and understand how certain drugs and chemicals can modify consciousness, we see thought impacted when certain parts of the brain are damaged, etc.), but there is no evidence at all to suggest of any consciousness outside the brain.

Is it something that you are just wishing was true, as it makes life after death a tenable position, or did you have some kind of experiences to suggest this?

[Gwandau]

eatenbyagrue,

Yes, I have had personal so called out of body experiences that have made me aware of things beyond our physical world, but I am fully aware that these experiences are just personal experiences and of course as such have no validity in a scientific approach. Still these experiences have changed my outlook on things quite a bit
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As a result I have devoted a lot of time since then in the study of the interface domain between the observer and the observed, and done some extensive experiments with Lucid dreaming techniques as well as explorations of the unconsciousness through the use of mind expanding drugs and other techniques well known in the shamanic tradition.

The frame of reference contained by the normal level of consciousness is nothing but the tip of the iceberg, and our experience of physical reality is the result of a social and cultural conditioning that is filtering away the major part of perception possible for man. Normal consciousness of today is assembled at a very narrow point on the avaible bandwidth of human consciousness, making it almost impossible to introduce the information accessible beyond the accepted frames of reference.

I can only tell you what I have seen, and the words you will hear are bound to be filtered through your mental firewall of preconceptions attained during your life. But I can tell you about a place beyond this world were newly dead people arrive every second without knowing that they are dead, being in a state of mind quite similar to when you dream without knowing that you dream. I can tell you that this strange place is real for me, and that you may experience it yourself if you devote enough time in so called Lucid Dreaming or other advanced shamanic techniques, or you just may have to wait until you die.

But as I say, these are just my words and since it still is not possible to record ones experiences and compare these with similar experiences of others, or proving this domain to be an actual domain by recording meetings with other participants there, these words of mine will carry little weight.

But still they are the very reason for me to suggest what I have described above as the framework of a spiritual alternative to the guilt ridden dogmatics of the Christian mythology.´

Gwandau