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Probality of God

Started by Newton II, September 14, 2012, 01:33:36 AM

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Magluvin

#945
October 29, 2012, 11:54:13 PM
Quote from: eatenbyagrue on October 29, 2012, 11:39:57 PM

None of what you said establishes Jesus.



Never said it did. Twist all you want. Are you on drugs? I will say it establishes a much better chance at creation than Big Evo.

Mags

Bruce_TPU

#946
October 29, 2012, 11:55:14 PM
Quote from: eatenbyagrue on October 29, 2012, 09:13:34 PM

Again you miss the point.  I am not even talking about the existence of god here, but the existence of the Christian hell.  What evidence is there of the Christian hell?

Leaving aside the question of whether this world was created by natural forces or an all powerful being, you still have to establish that (1) this being cares whether we believe he exists or not and (2) is evil enough to send us to eternal torture for the crime of not believing he exists.  What evidence is there for this aside from 2000 year old Jewish fairy tales?

None of the links below will be "difinitive" for you, and I understand that.  But for the "truth" seeker, it certainly points in a certain direction.

http://www.ourlifeafterdeath.com/fiery-hell-in-the-after-life/ronald-reagans-near-death-experience-horror-of-hell-in-life-after-death.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0F5F4hp3mY
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mathew 10:28

And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where "'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' Everyone will be salted with fire.
Mark 9:47-49

Do NOT neglect so great a salvation.  Today is the day of salvation.  Turn to Christ Jesus today and his mercy and grace will bring times of refreshing to your life!
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Liberty

#947
October 29, 2012, 11:55:55 PM
Quote from: eatenbyagrue on October 29, 2012, 10:40:52 PM

Let me rephrase - they are stories in a book.  And that is all I am accepting, because that is all we know.  What evidence do you have that they are more than stories?  Specifically, the bits about Jesus being god.  I understand that some historical places are referenced, but Harry Potter references England, and it's not all true in those books.

The burden on proof is on those asserting the fantastic, not on those denying the fantastic for lack of evidence.  That is which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

May I suggest that you take the time and effort to read the New Testament book of Romans.  It has most of the answers that you seek and will save a lot of disk space and time.

Points to notice in the book of Romans:
 
1. God is God and His point of view is the only righteous and correct one that you can trust, and the only one that really matters, because of point 2.
2. God is also the judge and has already made His judgement on sin, and has pronounced His Son totally righteous and justified and sin free.
3. God is not sending you to hell solely on the basis, if you don't believe Him. (He actually Loves you and all of mankind).  You go there because your father is Satan or the Devil by default.  Adam's act of sin against God, the very nature and origin of sin (which makes you a son or daughter of the devil), has been passed on or inherited by every person on planet earth and that is why you need to acknowledge and accept the salvation provided by Jesus, the Son of God (who is also the Word of God, who created all that you see; suffered the pains of death on the cross in order to redeem you from sin and it's punishment of hell and judgment, (which was really made for the devil and his angels), and make you able to stand before a Holy (pure) God and judge, with the righteousness of Jesus the Christ as your record, (His only righteous, sin free and Holy Son).  Also part of Himself.  God is in 3 entities, God the Father, God The Son (the Word of God), and God the Holy Spirit.
4. Jesus wants to give you His righteousness in exchange for your inherited sin from Adam and including your sins done in the body past, present, and future, being nailed to His cross, 2000 years ago.  He (God) thinks that this is the right thing for Him to do for you and everyone that inherited Sin from Adam, unfairly, unknowingly.  That is the Christian message to you and that is only part of the Good News from God to man.  It's a good deal for everyone and it's an example of God's Love for you, and it has already been paid for and done.  Why not take advantage of what God has wonderfully provided for you and everyone.  Please do yourself a favor and read the evidence that God has provided in His book and accept Him in your heart today.  He has much more that He wants to give you freely.  Read about it.
Liberty

"Converting Magnetic Force Into Motion"
Liberty Permanent Magnet Motor

hoptoad

#948
October 30, 2012, 02:42:00 AM
Quote from: eatenbyagrue on October 29, 2012, 09:13:34 PM
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What evidence is there of the Christian hell?
snip...

The catholic pope in recent years declared that " there is no place called heaven.
Heaven is a state of mind."

Ergo there is no hell. Hell is also a state of mind.

This is the only pronouncement by the papacy that I've ever agreed with.

Protestants (and many catholics) don't agree with the pope. Who's perception is right? The well learned pope, head of the largest single christian sect, or everybody else.

Like most atheists, I don't really care what the pope says. It's just another conversation starter. (or ender)

Qwert

#949
October 30, 2012, 09:16:29 AM
Quote from: hoptoad on October 30, 2012, 02:42:00 AM
The catholic pope in recent years declared that " there is no place called heaven.
Heaven is a state of mind."

In other words: Jesus died to release us from our own state of mind. To go into another state of mind.
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