Probality of God

[ramset]

Chris
Thanks,
the reason I ask is I have heard many persons from many different faiths comment about this [feelings, inner voice etc ].and the common thread was there [Love].

Some would say I'm too liberal ,I say every journey starts with the first step.
You sound like a great guy Chris.
Thx for your comments

Chet

[Gwandau]

CuriousChris,

I'm sorry but these guys are so deep into their state of conditioning that they just cannot get what you are saying.

People who have taken the "leap" into faith have invested just a bit too much of their life account to afford to make it back out into freedom.

There is no rethoric way of freeing them. The cost for them is too much. It's like the prisoner who brags about his big cell, but dreads the thought of being released out into the unsecure world.

I posted a set of arguments in favour for individual spiritualism a couple of pages back in this thread in an attempt to reach these guys, but did not even get a response. Just silence in regard of my input. Maybe they just did not understand my message.

I paste it here once again with the hope that at least one of the rigidly set minds will be able to look beyond the boundary of mass produced religion.

@everybody dependent upon a belief system,

you don't need any moral rules or guidelines to be of a high moral attitude.
You don't need a religion or any faith in anything to be a good and caring person.
You just have to have to be open in your heart.

Religion and faith are crutches for the weak and powertools for the religious authorities.

Stand up with high moral integrity by your own power!
You don't have to succumb to religious conditioning to be true at heart!

A true spritual being doesn't fall into any traps of rigid belief systems.
Jesus was not a Christian! He was a true being. Just like all the other enlightend Buddhas.
All the other gnostic crap written and edited thereafter are the workings of non enlightend persons.

Buddha was not a Buddhist! In fact he clearly stated that he did not approve of any religion in his name.
Same for all the other true beings in history. They never wanted the rigid crap evolving in their wake.

Deprogram yourself! Welcome out to the mystery of Reality as a free human being with an open mind.

We are here for free, we don't owe anybody anything for being here.

Or did you sign an agreement of any kind before getting here? I did not.


Peace, Love and Understanding,

Gwandau

[WilbyInebriated]

I'm sorry but these guys are so deep into their state of conditioning that they just cannot get what you are saying.

indeed... telling a snail about flight will not transform it into a butterfly... and 'flight' doesn't exist in a snail's 'reality'...

[CuriousChris]

Wilby and Gwandau

Its not actually conditioning. not in the beginning anyway for a new convert. It is certainly conditioning for children such as my nephews and nieces.

What it is, and this is what all converts express, is its a feeling of 'fulfillment' or an emptiness being filled. This they describe as love as Chet said earlier. Its not love its not even fulfillment its an abrogation of their will. A release from needing to make decisions.

They turn over their decision making to their 'elders' and to their inner God. The one they think is communication to a real God. By doing that it is a great relief. A return to the 'child state' of having mummy and daddy look after them if they should make a mistake.

So they are being truthful to the teachings of being childlike. And like a child they are vulnerable to exploitation.

[Newton II]

So they are being truthful to the teachings of being childlike. And like a child they are vulnerable to exploitation.

I think this discussion is taking a funny turn.    Topic of this thread is 'Probability of God'.   The question is whether God exists or not.  If you say NO,   then explain :


1)  What is matter?

2)  What is filed?

3)  How this universe came into existance?

4)  How brain works?   Is it just a chemical and electrical reaction or some sort of spirit present in the brain makes it self thinking?  if not can you convert a 
     computer into a self thinking brain with feelings and emotions?

5)  What is the purpose of this life?   Just take birth, earn money and die?

6)  Structure of brain in general is same for all human beings.   But why every one's thinking is different?   What makes a person good or bad?  Why some
     people are happy and some are suffering? 


Unless all the above questions are answered I have to believe that it is all God made.  Because no other explanation is available.  If science explains all the above things,  I would agree that God doesnot exist.

I am  not interested in religion.   I am a better thinker than my elders.  I can formulate my own religion.  Nobody can fool me or exploit me showing a dummy God. 

Vague arguments cannot solve any problem.