Probality of God

[Magluvin]

How wrong you are. Thats exactly where a real scientist would stop. you cannot prove (or disprove) the spiritual. So it stops there.



Testimony is hearsay. It does not constitute evidence. I have had experiences where I believed I was haunted. some of my earlier years were very frightening indeed.

You forget or perhaps didnt bother to read where I explained I was once a devout christian. Unlike you or tito or Bruce, I was also introspective enough to question why I believed. I didn't not accept what I was told because that's what sheep do. Instead I searched and discovered that I was being misled.

And yes I have studied the bible. Front to back.

Oh and the 'hauntings' I came to understand what they were. With that understanding they went away. Well mostly I still get them (very rarely) but I am no longer afraid. because there is nothing supernatural about them at all.


I refer back to my previous statement. Its not you cant teach me its that I have already been there. I was born again. slain in the lord, spoke in tongues, witnessed miracles, been the subject of miracles. Yes everything. before that I was raised a catholic. my family are all devout christians my parents are messianic jews. one of my wifes best friends is the pastor of her own church. she and her husband are two of the nicest people I know.

So don't claim you cant teach me.

I was also an electronics technician I have wound hundreds of coils, Worked with batteries, designed magnetic solenoids, and play with magnets constantly. Currently I am a software programmer. If I don't know about something I refrain from commenting until I have learnt. Such as the recent threads about herons fountains. I now have a much better understanding of hydraulics than I did just a year ago. I designed my own OU heron fountain. of course it doesn't work but by doing such I was able to teach myself why it doesn't work.  That's why I am here. I have an insatiable curiosity.

Therefore I know when someone makes a claim about a coil that is completely untrue. and other baseless claims.

Such as your baseless claims about me.

And I notice you don't try to defend the bible either.

"How wrong you are. Thats exactly where a real scientist would stop. you cannot prove (or disprove) the spiritual. So it stops there."

Wrong. There are plenty of scientists that study belief in God beyond physical proof of his existence. And they do comparisons among believers and non. You gotta catch up son.

"Testimony is hearsay. It does not constitute evidence. I have had experiences where I believed I was haunted. some of my earlier years were very frightening indeed."

According to God testimony is proofs that we can provide. Take it or leave it. And you chose to leave.
Ive never had haunted experiences. Should I just conclude that 'you' are nuts as you do us? Think.  Should we hound you and and say all the things you say to us for what we say we have 'seen'? We should just assume you are lying.  Cmon dude.

"You forget or perhaps didnt bother to read where I explained I was once a devout christian. Unlike you or tito or Bruce, I was also introspective enough to question why I believed. I didn't not accept what I was told because that's what sheep do. Instead I searched and discovered that I was being misled."

What is your definition of "devout Christian"? Because "I was also introspective enough to question why I believed. I didn't not accept what I was told because that's what sheep do. Instead I searched and discovered that I was being misled. " doesnt make sense for a "devout Christian". 

What I get from that is you were devout to what you were told, not necessarily to God. So you must not have known him. So what steps did you take to become in disbelief? What proofs do you have to prove your path of choice?


"Oh and the 'hauntings' I came to understand what they were. With that understanding they went away. Well mostly I still get them (very rarely) but I am no longer afraid. because there is nothing supernatural about them at all."

Well I hear all this of the hauntings, that werent. But no explanation of what they were or how you found them to be just common happenings. Just like you dont put up your 'proofs' that brought you to disbelief. But we are suppose to accept that as fact?
What? You dont care what we believe in? Think  Cuz it seem you do or you wouldnt be posting here. You asked the 'curious' question. 


"So don't claim you cant teach me."

Your cup is full.

"I was also an electronics technician I have wound hundreds of coils, Worked with batteries, designed magnetic solenoids, and play with magnets constantly. Currently I am a software programmer. If I don't know about something I refrain from commenting until I have learnt. Such as the recent threads about herons fountains. I now have a much better understanding of hydraulics than I did just a year ago. I designed my own OU heron fountain. of course it doesn't work but by doing such I was able to teach myself why it doesn't work.  That's why I am here. I have an insatiable curiosity.

Therefore I know when someone makes a claim about a coil that is completely untrue. and other baseless claims."

I never made a statement on your technical skill level or knowledge of such. If you cant see that I was giving an anlaogy, then I dont know what I can say. 


"Such as your baseless claims about me.

And I notice you don't try to defend the bible either."

Baseless?     You have shown me no proofs that are the basis of your disbelief. You only say that you were a devout christian and eventually found reasons not to be, and you were haunted for a while till you realized that it was something else?
You show none of your proofs for disbelief. Maybe you were not a 'devout' as you might know devout really is..

Or are you just making that up? But if we give you a simplified story as such, it must be just a fairy tale.

Defend the Bible?  The Bible is fine. I havnt gone back through all your posts, because im not looking how to beat you at anything that I need to do so. Have you posted against any scripture that I need to be defending? Would me quoting the Bible for 'you', the "read from front to back" guy, do any good? I already know the answer to that.

Magzimus Leviticus

[Magluvin]

That's the quote I responded to. so perhaps its you that is making stuff up?

Lol  Thats not defeat. Thats Tito saying he has better things to do than deal with your disbelief. The apostles would not even come back to a house of disbelief once they realized it. They had much better things to do. Im sure youve read all about it. 

lol big defeat. What? Do you want a trophy? Are you the big man on campus now? What a joke.

Magzimus Leviticus

[Magluvin]

I refer back to my previous statement. Its not you cant teach me its that I have already been there. I was born again. slain in the lord, spoke in tongues, witnessed miracles, been the subject of miracles. Yes everything. before that I was raised a catholic. my family are all devout christians my parents are messianic jews. one of my wifes best friends is the pastor of her own church. she and her husband are two of the nicest people I know.

So don't claim you cant teach me.

I seemed to have missed that paragraph.

Sooo, what happened? How did you feel back then of these things being considered proofs? 

Ive never had any reasons to disbelieve along the way. I know things are different with everyone. Ive never had a broken bone, or a stitch either. Same thing, its different for everyone..

Sorry to here that you went through all that and ended up with none of it. I cant imagine.

You dont need a church to guide you. Only the bible.    Ill pray for ya. Whether you like it or not.

Magzimus Levitcus

[Bruce_TPU]

I seemed to have missed that paragraph.

Sooo, what happened? How did you feel back then of these things being considered proofs? 

Ive never had any reasons to disbelieve along the way. I know things are different with everyone. Ive never had a broken bone, or a stitch either. Same thing, its different for everyone..

Sorry to here that you went through all that and ended up with none of it. I cant imagine.

You dont need a church to guide you. Only the bible.    Ill pray for ya. Whether you like it or not.

Magzimus Levitcus

Hi Mags,

Curious Chris is a warning to us all.  As the scriptures have said, truly it is better to have never known the truth then to know the truth and to turn from it. 
  2Pe 2:20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow (pig) that was washed to her wallowing in the mire (mud).

@ Curious Chris
Your only hope is to repent, (change of direction, about face)in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Fall to your knees and ask the Lord to help you with your unbelief.

Mags is correct, the early apostles and church, would shake the dust from their sandals to the community that received not their testimony.  And the bible says it will be easier on Sodom and Gemmorah at the judgment, than on them!

Repent while there is still time for you.  Otherwise, things in your life will become 7 times worse.  Saul himself lost his sight until he "saw".  Believe and call on the Lord Jesus Christ and you and your household shall be saved!

Walking with Christ,

Bruce

[WilbyInebriated]

Hi Mags,

Curious Chris is a warning to us all.  As the scriptures have said, truly it is better to have never known the truth then to know the truth and to turn from it. 
  2Pe 2:20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow (pig) that was washed to her wallowing in the mire (mud).

@ Curious Chris
Your only hope is to repent, (change of direction, about face)in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Fall to your knees and ask the Lord to help you with your unbelief.

Mags is correct, the early apostles and church, would shake the dust from their sandals to the community that received not their testimony.  And the bible says it will be easier on Sodom and Gemmorah at the judgment, than on them!

Repent while there is still time for you.  Otherwise, things in your life will become 7 times worse.  Saul himself lost his sight until he "saw".  Believe and call on the Lord Jesus Christ and you and your household shall be saved!

Walking with Christ,

Bruce

why are you telling us about it then?
hey godbot... jesus fucking christ! how stupid are you?  you keep quoting this silly book of fairytales that was written by men. it means jack squat.  circular arguments such as yours are not going to convert anyone here... the only people you're going to sell such weak argument to are other godtards like you.

YOU ARE ALL filthy spooners. YOU are ALL guilty of the original spoon. the ONLY way to eternal life and everlasting salvation is to beg the forgiveness of YOUR LORD AND MASTER, the creator and shaper of the universe, the flying spaghetti monster. REPENT YOUR SPOONS! REPENT YOU WICKED, FILTHY SPOONERS.

hey brucetard... you know how when you read what i just wrote about the flying spaghetti monster, you think to yourself... 'how dumb'?  that's EXACTLY what we think when you bloviate about jesus fucking christ.

if mags and your asinine book of fairytales are so wise... dust off your smelly feet and shut the fuck up about your imaginary godfairy savior/creator friend...