Probality of God

[Magluvin]

Why would my life be in a shambles, because I don't believe what you 'perceive' to be true is actually true?
That is rather a long bow to draw and has no basis in knowledge of any kind. so your perception is flawed. probably in some vain attempt to try and say I cant be happy because I am not christian. Its a simple, transparent, deliberate and deceptive ploy to use.

There are those things that are universally perceived to be constant (true) but perhaps when revealed may not be so simple an example of that would be gravity. We all perceive it the same that doesn't mean we have it right. One school of thought is that gravity is not actually pulling us down but is actually the result of the earth expanding at 9.8ms^2

I think it is a stupid statement and quite untrue. but believers in that theory would argue my perception is wrong.

Many here argue my perception of OU which discounts it ever being possible is wrong. Perhaps it is. but I have been shown nothing by anyone to prove otherwise and until I do I will maintain that perception.

You are lying when you say your (Bruce, Tito and I) perceptions are the same. you have a common belief, but I'll bet they vary. Perhaps not much but I bet they will vary. So your perceptions of the truth will actually be different. Therefore just perceptions. You also deliberately left out others whose perceptions are similar but perhaps even less aligned. How long did you ponder before leaving out say, Chet? There is differing beliefs in all differing denominations. Are you going to tell me you are 100% in accord with Jews and with Muslims. Surely you must be. I mean you all believe in the same God.

What I just wrote above is yet another comment you will fail to respond to of the dozens you and your ilk have failed to comment on. Due to the very simple fact (perception) you cannot. At least not without deliberately deceiving (yet another perception of mine).

I don't consider my perception more correct than others but will always challenge people to back up their perceptions with more than "you must have faith" its the catch cry of the faithers here and only because they have nothing else, without that cry they are moribund.

"probably in some vain attempt to try and say I cant be happy because I am not christian."
Well to you, happiness is just a matter of perception, right? 

"There are those things that are universally perceived to be constant (true) but perhaps when revealed may not be so simple an example of that would be gravity."

So why is it so hard for you to believe that your perceptions are constant when it comes to God!! You make it sound like gravity is 'the' most mysterious thing. Yet you seem to have God all figured out.  Come on man, think. 

"I think it is a stupid statement and quite untrue. but believers in that theory would argue my perception is wrong."

And you guys argue that our perception is wrong.  Soo, were even?



"Many here argue my perception of OU which discounts it ever being possible is wrong. Perhaps it is. but I have been shown nothing by anyone to prove otherwise and until I do I will maintain that perception."

Thats a good point. There are also those such as you that discount us. I dont know if the balance is 'even' there. I guess there are differences in people. Some just get up every day and think, conjure and build relentlessly. Thats how things happen. Thats how things get done. Thats what gets you your new IPhone and direct injection, everything to the quality of bed you need to sleep best.
None of it happens by hanging around places that do things that you dont believe in and just be outspoken in your objections. Doesnt help them, them that 'do' things, not one iota. So why are you here???


"You are lying when you say your (Bruce, Tito and I) perceptions are the same. you have a common belief, but I'll bet they vary. Perhaps not much but I bet they will vary. So your perceptions of the truth will actually be different. Therefore just perceptions. You also deliberately left out others whose perceptions are similar but perhaps even less aligned. How long did you ponder before leaving out say, Chet? There is differing beliefs in all differing denominations. Are you going to tell me you are 100% in accord with Jews and with Muslims. Surely you must be. I mean you all believe in the same God. "

Chet!!  Your right. Sorry Chet.  I should go back through and find them all.  My bad.  thanks for pointing that out.
You can call me what you will. Some Jews are still waiting for the Messiah, and some know that he already came. So when you reference Jews, dont put them all in one basket.  But yes, same God

If there are variations, not all of us argue those things, as much as you would have others believe.
There are many things that are argued that are minor compared to what is really important and agreed upon. I see that you cant understand that that is possible, sooo, oh well.


"What I just wrote above is yet another comment you will fail to respond to of the dozens you and your ilk have failed to comment on. Due to the very simple fact (perception) you cannot. At least not without deliberately deceiving (yet another perception of mine)."

Well, you were wrong.     There ya go thinking you know everything.



"I don't consider my perception more correct than others but will always challenge people to back up their perceptions with more than "you must have faith" its the catch cry of the faithers here and only because they have nothing else, without that cry they are moribund."

But you cant back up your 'perceptions' with anything other than speculation, imagination and not even a 'booklet' from thousands of years ago.  Nothing except what is in your head.


Mags

[Magluvin]

What you say would be worrisome for us atheists if there was a grain of evidence for it.  Thankfully there is not.

lol, why would you worry?  Worried that you will still deny God even when presented with evidence?

Thats strange.  Thankful?  Thankful that there is no evidence of God???

Now I know. I know that even if god were standing in front of you, you would deny him. 

How else are we to 'perceive' what you just wrote there?

Mags

[eatenbyagrue]

lol, why would you worry?  Worried that you will still deny God even when presented with evidence?

Thats strange.  Thankful?  Thankful that there is no evidence of God???

Now I know. I know that even if god were standing in front of you, you would deny him. 

How else are we to 'perceive' what you just wrote there?

Mags

Again you miss the point.  I am not even talking about the existence of god here, but the existence of the Christian hell.  What evidence is there of the Christian hell?

Leaving aside the question of whether this world was created by natural forces or an all powerful being, you still have to establish that (1) this being cares whether we believe he exists or not and (2) is evil enough to send us to eternal torture for the crime of not believing he exists.  What evidence is there for this aside from 2000 year old Jewish fairy tales?

[Magluvin]

Again you miss the point.  I am not even talking about the existence of god here, but the existence of the Christian hell.  What evidence is there of the Christian hell?

Really?  I dont see the word hell in your post. Is it in Bruces post that you were replying to?  Who said hell is here on earth? And why is that important to you? Worried?     

Ahh, I see. If there is no hell, then there is nothing to worry about. Theres that logic workin for ya. Worried more about the possibility of hell than God who made it. Again, rejection of God even if there were proof of hell. 

Let me get this right. If there were proof of hell, of which is described and named in the Bible, then you might believe in God? Or you would still need proof of God beyond that? I would guess your answer is yes from what Ive read so far.  hopefully not. 

Mags

[Magluvin]

Leaving aside the question of whether this world was created by natural forces or an all powerful being, you still have to establish that (1) this being cares whether we believe he exists or not and (2) is evil enough to send us to eternal torture for the crime of not believing he exists.  What evidence is there for this aside from 2000 year old Jewish fairy tales?

It is your perception that they are fairy tales. Just because you perceive it as such does not make it truth. So from now on, if you wish to label them as fairy tales, you should say "2000 year old Jewish scriptures that I consider to be fairy tales"  Otherwise you are stating it as fact. You cannot prove it is or isnt, yet you pose it as truth. 

Cmon, you can do better than that. I mean like, you guys are always asking for evidence, facts, truth. Should we expect less from you? Hmmm?

Mags