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Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY

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stivep

Quote from: AlienGrey on February 24, 2018, 08:09:41 AM
Wesley please cast your eye over this video, it involves what appears to be a capacitor in a space age silver suite,
could this be any thing to do with the last page and its comments.

An inquisitive interest only if it is viable or not your interest is valid.

Allen Grey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldfRZecE1IA


It is a capacitor inside the  pyramid  with some   foil around.

the dropped object   is a magnet and  while it moves in the coil it induces electromagnetic field in the copper   and by that it creates  current flow.
However  as  I said before  in my comment to SolarLab
quote:
QuoteThe only AC present in electrostatically charged   body is during  delta T  of charge   and delta T of discharge.
So AC there is related to time of change.
when I rephrase it to  motion of the magnet it would sound like that:
The only AC present in electromagnetically charged   body is during  delta T  of change.
So  gravitational  force  is used here to  move the magnet  that only in  time  of delta T ( called  also dt) creates current flow in the coil ( Lens law)

1. At first  series of dropping   a magnet, gentleman in video is able to deflect  voltage  indicator very little as it is mechanical V meter.
So time of fly of a magnet from top  to the bottom of the pipe is faster than  needle of the  meter ability to deflect ( needle is compensated by spring inside the meter that is acting against  needle motion)

2. when he connect the  capacitor than  we are dealing with  time of  change the delta T ( dt), that is exactly the same but than capacitor is charged  and charge  stays for much longer time  . Needle  of the  voltage indicator  has more time to deflect and longer time to stay at level of  energy stored in  that capacitor.
The visual effect is simply  misleading  as it looks like the needle deflection  to the right on  indicator scale is  bigger than  original  deflection without  a capacitor .
3. The indication of simple trick here is that at the end o the video  you can clearly see discharge curve of a capacitor   

Wesley


   


Belfior

Quote from: stivep on February 24, 2018, 07:33:44 AM
but  I did not find historical confirmation of that wording , or association  of Volta with  Perpetuo.

I appreciate  your comment


Wesley

In his letter in 1775 to Priestley Volta says

"Che se a voi non dispiacesse, ardirei pure imporre un nome al mio picciolo apparecchio, e sarebbe quello di Elettroforo perpetuo".

stivep

Quote from: Belfior on February 24, 2018, 09:15:54 AM
In his letter in 1775 to Priestley Volta says

"Che se a voi non dispiacesse, ardirei pure imporre un nome al mio picciolo apparecchio, e sarebbe quello di Elettroforo perpetuo".
translation into English : "That if you do not mind, I would dare to impose a name on my small apparatus, and it would be that of perpetual electrophorus ".
So it is like some guy says  lets call it :  "perpetual". or as he was politican ,lets call it  "Путин-вор" as I'm Separatist   

Joseph Priestley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Priestley  English Separatist theologian, natural philosopher, chemist, innovative grammarian, multi-subject educator, and liberal political theorist He is not Volta.  I'm glad you found  event leading to  miss-qualification of word perpetuo .
He was not Volta nor it is Volta's response in that matter.
We may also  assume that Joseph Priestley was responding  emotionally,   rather than   having scientific background or experience. 
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elettroforo_perpetuo
QuoteL'elettroforo perpetuo, detto anche elettroforo di Volta è un generatore elettrostatico in grado di accumulare una modesta quantità di carica elettrica in modo discontinuo. Ideato da Alessandro Volta intorno al 1775 durante i suoi studi sull'elettricità e citato nella "Lettera a Priestley", ha attualmente utilità didattica.
"The perpetual electrophorus, also called Volta electrophorus, is an electrostatic generator able to accumulate a small amount of electrical charge in a discontinuous way.
Conceived by Alessandro Volta around 1775 during his studies on electricity and cited in the "Letter to Priestley", he currently has didactic utility."
http://ppp.unipv.it/Mostra/Pagine/Frame%20S3/FrameS31.htm
That  for me clearly states Volta's traditional fundamental position in regards to the subject  in question
however  he was :

Quote:
Quote
QuoteCome fisico elettrizzante Volta si mantiene sempre fedele alla teoria frankliniana di un unico fluido elettrico, immaginandolo come un fluido "elastico" capace di espandersi alla maniera dell'aria.
As an electrifying physicist, Volta always remains faithful to the Franklinian theory of a single electric fluid, imagining it as an "elastic" fluid capable of expanding in the manner of air.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14786441508638568?journalCode=tphm12
Leyden Jar is an early form of capacitor consisting of a glass jar with layers of metal foil on the outside and inside.

word continuous   in latin is :continui
word discontinuous in latin is: proiciente relictum

Wesley

Belfior

That was Volta's letter TO Priestley. Volta was writing to Priestley. Volta -> Priestley

That is what it means. It is not like Priestley wrote himself a letter.

So Volta wanted to call his device "Elettroforo perpetuo" and that is sited in the "Letter to Priestley"

I really don't care who Priestley or Volta were or how to spell words in latin. I just wanted to point out, that is WAS Volta that called it "Elettroforo perpetuo".

I can try to dig out a copy of the original letter, so we can see who said what and who signed the letter.


stivep

Quote from: Belfior on February 24, 2018, 12:07:45 PM
That was Volta's letter TO Priestley. Volta was writing to Priestley. Volta -> Priestley

That is what it means. It is not like Priestley wrote himself a letter.

So Volta wanted to call his device "Elettroforo perpetuo" and that is sited in the "Letter to Priestley"

I really don't care who Priestley or Volta were or how to spell words in latin. I just wanted to point out, that is WAS Volta that called it "Elettroforo perpetuo".

I can try to dig out a copy of the original letter, so we can see who said what and who signed the letter.
Your quote indicates
QuoteIn his letter in 1775 to Priestley Volta says

"Che se a voi non dispiacesse, ardirei pure imporre un nome al mio picciolo apparecchio, e sarebbe quello di Elettroforo perpetuo".

this  article indicates:
http://ppp.unipv.it/Mostra/Pagine/Frame%20S3/FrameS31.htm
Come fisico elettrizzante Volta si mantiene sempre fedele alla teoria frankliniana di un unico fluido elettrico, immaginandolo come un fluido "elastico" capace di espandersi alla maniera dell'aria.
A questa virtù elastica egli attribuisce, in particolare, la violenza della scarica della bottiglia di Leida o del quadro di Franklin, come quella di un gas che da un recipiente in cui si trova fortemente compresso (stato elettrico +) si scarica in un recipiente dove è stato fatto il vuoto (stato elettrico -).
Il primo strumento elettrico realizzato da Volta è l'elettroforo (1775).
Lo strumento è sostanzialmente un quadro di Franklin modificato. Poiché in genere le resine sono più "tenaci" del vetro nel conservare l'elettricità loro comunicata, Volta sostituisce il vetro con del mastice resinoso; inoltre sostituisce l'armatura piatta superiore con uno scudo mobile arrotondato (in modo tale da eliminare gli spigoli che, come era già noto, favoriscono la dispersione elettrica) e dotato di un manico isolante.

I see that there is  statement
Per questo motivo Volta, in una lettera del giugno 1775 a Priestley, suggerisce per il proprio apparecchio il nome di elettroforo perpetuo:
"Che se a voi non dispiacesse, ardirei pure imporre un nome al mio picciolo apparecchio, e sarebbe quello di Elettroforo perpetuo".
HOWEVER THERE IS NO ORIGINAL  LETTER I WAS ABLE TO FIND  THAT WOULD CONFORM IT .


I have had the same  conversation  with one of my professors  long time ago, and he could not find it  as well.
We come to conclusion  mutually  that it was Priestley response not
Volta's response based on material  on hand.
I would  appreciate  if you help me in that matter.
Wesley