Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY

[verpies]

What the proper math function of a good scope looks like, see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCibIj_R3HY&feature=youtu.be

It does look better.
Does Tek's math module take data directly from the ADCs or does it multiply the pixels on the screen like the Owon ?
Also, can this scope first multiply two channels and then average/integrate the results of these multiplications? 
If "yes" does it display the averaged math waveform graphically or does it display the averaged math result numerically?

I regret that you did not show how the result of multiplication of two channels varies when the phase offset between these two sine waves is changed. 
That would be educational to other users - especially of you defined one of the channels as measuring amps (most likely in "probe setup" menu) because then the scope would treat the voltage coming to this channel as "amps" and display "W" instead "V V" as the result of multiplication with the other channel, defined as "volts".
For example you could show a 0W average result for two sine waves 90º out of phase.

[NickZ]

  Grum:
   " BUT as Hoppy has said on innumerable occasions without those accurate input measurements GeoFusions device may just be another "run of the mill " inverter !!"
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  True, but, lets give him chance to loop the circuit, as that is the most difficult part.
In any case, he is showing us what he has come up with up to now, in order for us to continue to improve upon it. 
  Igor also has not been able to do it, yet. So, it's not that easy...

[Khwartz]

Actually, for kHz frequencies, linear Hall Effect sensors can also be used instead of CSRs.
For a load drawing 10A out of the AC OUT terminals, which at 230V would yield 0-2300W of power transfer, the power dissipated in a 0.1Ω CSR would be 10W.

Note, that the power dissipation in the CSR is independent of the voltage applied to the AC IN terminals, it depends only on the current drawn from the AC OUT terminals, because P_CSR=I²R_CSR only.

yes, indeed, but I depends of both the resistance of the resistor and of the impedance of the load. But as you have chosen a very low resistance, it is not significant regarding to the load we used to use. So you were almost true by the figures but true in practice.

[Khwartz]

   For anyone with a "minimalist" point of view, and a self running device, all these measurement to prove the point to someone else may not be required.
  We are dealing with self running devices, not just another inverter circuit.

  Or like Geo's self running motor/generator powering his house. Just how would you go about measuring that??? 

  Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves, as no one here has a device that can show even being close to OU, in any form yet. Or able to run itself 24/7.
Even Geo's circuit is just an inverter, efficient, or not so efficient, until he can loop it.
If I'm wrong about this, just let me know.

  When I look at Akulas latest device schematic, I see many similarities to what we are doing here, especially on the main part of his oscillator circuit, which looks very similar to a Mazzili oscillator circuit. The rest of it may just be to control the duty cycle, frequency control, and overheating issues. However his type of coils and how they are wired are possibly the missing link. Again, not one person has been able to replicate even his first much simpler device, and show it self running, even dimly lighting the bulbs, without a battery.

Thanks NickZ for insisting on that point.

[a.king21]

Mazzili circuit :


According to my reading of the circuit, there is an event which takes place called "resonant rise"    and this ultimately causes the circuit to blow.
All efforts therefore seem to be made to suppress the resonant rise in order to sustain the circuit.
May I point out that "resonant rise" is just what Tesla was aiming for and did achieve in the Colorado Springs experiments.
Therefore it would be appropriate to USE this "resonant rise" and find another way to protect the transistors.


I think  members' time would be better spent on fixing the resonant rise matter rather than designing circuits which measure power.