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Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Started by bajac, October 07, 2012, 06:21:28 PM

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NRamaswami

Gyula:

You are correct in all your statements. The Analog Ammeter can be relied on only after 1 Amps. It oscillates a bit before it indicating the current when lamps are burning. But I have no way of knowing what amps it is.

I did not calculate the Amps output. The Ammeter jumped up to 20 amps. It does not do that when the voltage is even at 250 and at no load condition in the secondary.

I have no knowledge on calculation methods for this is not my domain. I perfectly understand your posts and am also eager that the correct report should be given. This is why I have given all the information as we have without hesitation. And I have found that many posters were going wrong. As one of the friends put it, he spent six weeks last year without being able to replicate Figuera. We kind of figuered out a way but we are actually afraid to go forward due to the high voltages and amperages that are shown.

About Voltage: Amperage calculations, I find that if we get 240 volts in the secondary at no load, when we light the lamps we can go up to 1.8 Amps and 100 volts. So it is about 180 watts of output usable output power there.

But when we go to 250 volts at no load the usable output increases to 120 volts and 2 amps. For a 10 volt difference at no load condition the usable output increases by 60 watts. So at 630 volts at no load assuming that there is no amps present, the usable load would go up significantly. It is possible there was a short circuit inside the ammeter. But I have no way of knowing or interpreting these things and my knowledge is not to that level.

Regarding why I'm afraid of this voltage, this comes at 50 Hz frequency. Electricity at low frequency is deadly. This is why we have people getting killed under high voltage lines. In Tesla coil electricity is given at very high frequency. Electricity above 20 Khz is supposed not to kill but I do not know.

In a way I'm also irritated that we are not able to go forward and so shared the information freely.

Regarding the query of Forest, Whether it is low voltage or high voltage current of more than 2 amps can kill people. At 20 amps I'm told by an Electrical Engineer that it can even cause human blood to boil..Can I take risks here? With my kind of knowledge? So we have kept quiet and did not take it forward. Physiotherapists give electrical stimulations at milliamps only for this reason.

But it is a very simple device. Competent people can easily replicate my work and then build the second step down transformer.

Problem is that the iron rods carry the same current as eddy current and at the same frequency.  I'm not satisfied with our knowledge or capacity to handle this kind of voltage and amperage combinations and this is why we have not moved forward. But we will try this week or next week and post to all. I will share the results freely. No problem.

ALVARO_CS

NRamaswami

The way I see the originality of your setup, is that no one here, as far as I know, has tried with a secondary (induced) under the primary (inductor), but just an induced coil central between the two inductors.
I`ll try this next week but at a lower scale. Much to wind.
Cheers

NRamaswami

Actually the original designs are Figuera designs. He clearly describes in one line for using a secondary under the primary to get industrial scale currents. Normally in patent applications the inventors will avoid providing full and particular descriptions and best mode of carrying out the invention and the mode of invention disclosed by Figuera is the weakest one of carrying out his invention. What we did was to understand the purpose of rotary switch and resistor set up and in deleting that and replacing it with Alternating current and making the device an extremely simple one without any electriconics to make it easy to replicate. As I'm a Patent Attorney, I was able to spot this.. Earlier descriptions were completely wrong with same poles facing each other which is totally contrary to the teachings of Figuera..

All electrical turbines today use the force of magnetic repulsion. This results in rotation of the core. Then as the core rotates slowly, to make rotate faster we need mechanical energy which is supplied through mechanical means. This conversion process results in loss. Figuera advocated a different approach altogether to use the combined forces of magnetic repulsion and magnetic attraction and use them all and avoid the mechanical means to generate a much larger output than the input.

This is the theory that has been ignored. But it is certainly a valid theory.  Possibly all of you have focused only on the drawings and have not studied the patent description of the original and missed the line. Since the original Figuera device we made did not work, I worked it out and did not want to lose the power that can be taken out of the primary. We have actually wound Coils outside the primary also in some experiments but there was not much of difference. When you have a lot of excess voltage output and amperage waiting to be tapped, why create additional voltage and further complicate the issue was the thought and we avoided it all.

Please take care while doing the experiments as these are very high voltage and high amperage ones. You are not going to see any major excess output until you cross the 450 or 500 volts in the secondary I think but this is a guess.

hanon

Hi all,

Here I attach an interview to Clemente Figuera with some interesting insights. This is direct testimony from Figuera himself. It is a good historical review of his findings. It appeared in a local newspaper in 1902. Enjoy it !!!

INTERVIEW TO CLEMENTE
FIGUERA 1902
Mr. Clemente Figuera. - The name of the
conscientious and intelligent engineer,
Inspector of mountains in Canary, is now
universally known, thanks to the news
published by the press about the generator
of his invention for producing far-reaching
consequences, because it constitutes a
valuable element in modern mechanics,
solving problems which will influence
powerfully in most industries.
The meritable engineer states in a recently
published work. - "With persistent effort
nature keeps its secrets, but man´s
intelligence, the most precious gift due to
the divine artist, author of all creation,
allows that slowly and at the cost of
thousands studies and works, the human
race realize that God's work is more perfect
and harmonious than it looks at first sight.
There was no need to create a agent for
each kind of phenomenon, nor varying
forces to produce the multiple motions, nor
so many substances as varieties of bodies
are present to our senses; In doing so, it
was proceeding worthy of a least wise and
powerful creator that that, with a single
matter and a single impulse given to an
atom, started in vibration all cosmic matter,
according to a law from which the others
are natural and logical consequences"
And later he adds: "The twentieth century
has given us the mercy of discovering its
program in general lines. It will stop using
the hackneyed system of transformations,
and it will take the agents where the nature
has them stored. To produce heat, light or
electricity, it will rely on the suitable
vibratory motion because nature´s
available storages are renewed constantly
and have no end ever. For the next
generation, the steam engines will be an
antique, and the blackness of coal, will be
replaced by the pulchritude of electricity, in
factories and workshops, in ocean liners, in
railways and in our homes"
So says Mr. Figueras, who is consistent
with his scientific creed, has based his
significant invention on harnessing the
vibrations of the ether, building a device,
that he names as Generator Figueras, with
the power required to run a motor, as well
as powering itself, developing a force of
twenty horse power. Should be noted that
the produced energy can be applied to all
kinds of industries and its cost is zero,
because nothing is spent to obtain it. All
parts have been built separately in various
workshops under the management of the
inventor, who has shown the generator
running in his home in the city of Las
Palmas.
The inventor holds that his generator will
solve a portion of problems, including those
which are derived from navigation, because
a great power can be carried in a very
small space, stating that the secret of his
invention resembles the egg of Columbus.
With the generator it may be obtained the
voltage and amperage required, as direct
or alternate currents, producing light,
driving force, heat and all the effects of the
electricity. It is said that shortly Mr. Figuera
will depart to Paris, to constitute a union in
charge of the exploitation of his invention.
Due to the gallantry of our good friend, the
distinguished photographer of Las Palmas
Mr. Luis Ojeda, we thank for making public
to our readers a portrait of Mr. Clemente
Figueras, to whom we congratulate on his
invention, making fervent hopes to produce
the expected beneficial results, for the
benefit of mankind, for the sake of science
and honor of our country, proud to count
him among the number of its illustrious
sons.


gyulasun

Hi NRamaswami,

I would like to show you an ebay link where an analog AC ampermeter is offered, maybe you like it:

http://www.ebay.in/itm/Class-2-5-Accuracy-AC-30A-Analogue-Ampere-Panel-Meter-/251452933597?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3a8bc345dd   

And I found this transformer manufacturer based in Tamil Nadu, maybe not so far from you, and maybe, just maybe they have a junkyard where burnt out tranformers are stored, probably waiting for recycling or rebuilding, and I thought you would approach them for a favor... 
this is their site: http://www.transformersindia.com/ 

Greetings,  Gyula