Innovating

[johnny874]

  @All,
At one time I tried discussing conservation and innovation. The 2 best ways to realize free energy. AB Hammer fought me on tbis.
What he missed is simple things like what happens when a solar panel is placed in a green house type environment. It is possible that it's efficiency could increase relative to the ambient temperature it is exposed to.
After all, once perpetual motion is demonstrated, something will be lost.
And it is something I can do. But to have people and idea's immediately discredited can also stop innovation by keeping people from considering different ways that innovation can be considered.

[Magluvin]

  @All,
At one time I tried discussing conservation and innovation. The 2 best ways to realize free energy. AB Hammer fought me on tbis.
What he missed is simple things like what happens when a solar panel is placed in a green house type environment. It is possible that it's efficiency could increase relative to the ambient temperature it is exposed to.
After all, once perpetual motion is demonstrated, something will be lost.
And it is something I can do. But to have people and idea's immediately discredited can also stop innovation by keeping people from considering different ways that innovation can be considered.

Absolutely. Solar panels output is reduced as the temperature of the cells goes higher.

In a green house, the panel may be cooler, but something is cooling it. Thats not free. But, as I have posted in another thread, the panels could be mounted to a cooling block of running water that gives say 130deg water for the home, as im sure the panel alone in the direct sun gets much hotter than that. Even the inside of a car sitting beats it by 20deg let alone a dark surface.

So now you have a panel that produces more electrical power out and hot water to boot.

Now put peltier chip modules between the solar panel and hot water block and collect more electrical output.

Like a big energy sangwich. lol  Da Powa Samich!!

All in the same square footage as the panel itself, but just a bit thicker.


Mags

[johnny874]

  mags,
since you understand this better than me, I have a question for you.
Do you think that anything like a refrigeration system could improve efficiency ?
You know, expansion absorbs energy and compression releases energy, think there might be something to it ?

[Magluvin]

Only if the 'cost' of the refrigeration is less than the gain by quite a bit. ;] Thats  a tough one.

Thats why I suggested what I thought above. Each layer of solar cell, water cooler(Hot water production) and peltier in between, each adds to the system in various ways with the same amount of light striking the solar panel alone.

Mags

[AB Hammer]

  @All,
At one time I tried discussing conservation and innovation. The 2 best ways to realize free energy. AB Hammer fought me on tbis.
What he missed is simple things like what happens when a solar panel is placed in a green house type environment. It is possible that it's efficiency could increase relative to the ambient temperature it is exposed to.
After all, once perpetual motion is demonstrated, something will be lost.
And it is something I can do. But to have people and idea's immediately discredited can also stop innovation by keeping people from considering different ways that innovation can be considered.

LMAO!!!
Jim; 
You keep bringing my name up again and again. You are so practiced at baffling with B.S. for you have no brilliance. First you have to truly understand balance and pendulun effect as they effect on a wheel. For then and only then will you understand why you have been so full of B.S.

You are no expert on Bessler Wheel. Only when the wheel is operating? Then and only then can anybody claim to be an expert on Bessler Wheel. But then you will have to correlate with Bessler's writings.