Crystal Cell Research

[4Tesla]

I am totally running away from it and from Iron Pyrite because Pyrite with water will become sulfuric acid. Many mines in the past had this problem.

That is good to know about Pyrite.  I didn't know that.  Thanks!

[drodenbe]

Good Day every one!  Just came back from a run to Menard's Lumber co.  You know!  First of month. Got paid!  Could not get the TSP-90 at ace hardware.  Was out.  I did back order 4 lbs of it though.  I found at Menard's a TSP substitute and this is what it is called.  Found it in the paint section.  4lbs for 9.00 and some odd change.  They looked up msds sheet and it is sodium meta silicate and some other additive.  I bought some anyway to see if it is better, worse, or the same.  They probably added some inert ingredient so they could put there name on it.  May be not! Will see how it works.  I am making a few cells today.  I did find some aluminum conduit 3/4 inch couplings with two screws attached on both ends.  Got a bag for 3.90 something.  Will use 1/2 inch copper pipe and so I won't be using much compound.  Will let you know how the new stuff works.  I noticed the particles are much finer and look like small crystals.  The TSP-90 is much courser and don't even look like a crystal.  These look like they were grown that way.  I will be posting the graph of the first multi plate cell later today.  Want to let it run for a while on graph.  It has leveled out at 0.961 volts.  Not bad!  May be, may be not!

David   

[drodenbe]

Fausto:  Latest graph since I restarted. 

I have made a new cell from the new compound called TSP Substitute by Sunnyside.  Purchased at Menards. For a little over 9.00 for 4lbs.  So far I can see no difference.  I just made a cell from the 3/4 inch aluminum conduit coupling and a 2'' copper 1/2 inch pipe.  I did not even treat the aluminum or the copper just wanted to see if it was close to my first cell I ever did when I first used this stuff and I am getting 1.05 volts  unloaded and 70ma dead short.  I am going to buy this from now on.  I don't have to special order it.  It is also a finer crystal.  The crystals look like very very very small quarts crystal points if you know what I am talking about.  The TSP 90 from ace looks like just granules such as sand.  So let me know what you think, every one!

David

[drodenbe]

It is me again!  Just checked my converted ups 12 volt battery.  Now a crystal cell.  Filled with the sodium meta silicate almost 2 months ago and I checked it and it is at 12.40 volts.  I tried to measure the current.  Big mistake!  I am getting over 10 amps because my meter went over range and started to melt the leads!  I know Bedini's converted alum battery was some where around 11 volts I think.  I know I did one and that is what I was getting.  Don't think I was getting this kind of amps though!  May be wrong.  Too far back to remember.  It does charge on the charger just fine.  I have a charger with a microprocessor and It cycles the battery up and down.  Neat to watch on logging meter!  Well Just thought you might be interested if you want to try this new stuff in a motor cycle battery.  Next project.  I am looking for something like this to run my 3 phase pulse motors I build.  Sort of like a 3 phase Bedini/cole window motor but 3 phase and my own design.  Will share diagram on another forum if you want it.  I think I already did some time ago,  somewhere!  I think!  Ok.  Later.

David

[mscoffman]

plengo,

You need to think about determining the internal impedance of your batteries or you could be missing out
on some important information you should be taking during each experiment. The problem is that your 100 Ohm
resistor will only allow 10ma to flow for each volt of your battery. Using chemistry is going to limit your cell
voltage to between .5->3. VDC. Note that at 3vdc you are dissipating only 90mW. Because of the chemistry voltage
limit, you'll need to maximize current to find cells that can produce higher powers. This is why internal impedance
is critical.  You'll never end up seeing what you could get if you don't do impedance matching. You need for your external
resistor to match the internal cell impedance for you to have maximum power transfer. You should consider having
a wire wound potentiometer so you can measure volt x amps at a number of different resistance settings. Compute
these wattages and pick the maximum wattage. The potentiometer setting at max wattage equals your cell's current
internal impedance. Ultimately you may want to have your computer or a microcontroller do this for you.

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I think the Conservation of energy law says as you dissipate at higher powers some macroscopic aspect of the battery must
change or you would be violating CoE. You just want the developments to have a power uptrend not necessarily acid/lead type
net power capability.


:S:MarkSCoffman