Single circuits generate nuclear reactions

[Koen1]

@Sparks: indeed, you seem to be talking MHD here, and although it't not necessarily so,
I can see quite some connections between your idea and mine.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you are suggesting to use oldfashioned heat input
directly through your heat exchanger to power such a setup, aren't you?
So where are you getting the heat? I mean, of course we could use a logfire or something
to get the heat, but pehaps then a simple steam turbine would be easier?
Or were you thinking of using an OU heater device? That might actually work quite well...
... if you have one.

I'n any case, suppose we do use your heat exchanger to excite the gas atoms,
so that we end up with thermions (thermally induced ions), then we'll still need
to make these ions flow in the right direction... But that should be doable.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like your idea.

So where I suggested UV to excite the gas to facilitate ionisation and induction of
the circular arc, you are suggesting to use heat to do the same thing... right?
... hmmm... Must see what works better for the gas I had in mind...

[forest]

Maybe old crude vacuum diode is enough to get reaction ? I believe that some kind of electron beam generator is required.

[Thaelin]

   Thanks for the reply anyhow. I ask this specific question because I read an article on CME corona mass ejection on the SOHO site that said it overloaded the electricity grid in canada to the point of burnout. Due to the load pressed on the rest of the grid, it almost went with it. Now if  our electric grid is prone to pick up this CME protron flow, what would a coil do? Any takers on this subject, please jump in. I am wondering if a solar tracker with a coil in the nose could see any output and if so, what freq would be optimum. I did read that the protron storms center out at 245Mhz.

And yes, off topic. Guess I should put this in a better place.

thaelin

@Thaelin

    I just have a real primitive knowlege of atomic theory.  Mike and Ahura are quontom leaps ahead of me.   It is peculiar that you ask this question because I was spending some time last week on researching the possiblity of concentrating molecular vibrations of an ionized gas in a heat pump circuit.  My thought was to concentrate the gas onto an emitter plate by response of the ionized gas to an external magnetic scource.  Therefore polarizing the normally randomized molecular vibrations and raising the temperature of the plate without the need of a mechanical compressor.  Something like your proton stream would be the final product of the heated gas passing through the interior of the pulsed induction coil.

[Koen1]

@forest: Well I think you're facing the right direction with your
vacuum diode suggestion, but the thing is that we want more output
than input so we'll need some funky process that does this.
The Vallée Protelf/Synergetic theory is one such possible process,
which uses certain atoms in special magnetic field arrangement and
pulsed with high voltage DC, and in theory (as well as according to
various experiments) that can produce significantly more output
than input. But it needs gases or even solids, and one thing it does not
comply with is vacuum.
The Correa AGDP that AbbaRue suggesed might be another candidate,
but that also uses gas discharges.

So yes, we want a form of particle accellerator tube, but not a vacuum one.
Also, we could inject electron streams into the gas and keep them going
using magnetic fields, but to do so would need at least a cathode to deliver
the electrons... Which would not necessarily be a problem, but it is in the
circular configuration I suggested.
After all, such a circular setup is very similar to a Betatron which does in fact
use a vaccum tube and an injected electron stream... but in Betatrons these electrons
are accellerated to such speeds that they are flung out of the loop and crash into
the anode, resulting in gamma rays. And I do not want to make gamma rays.
Leave that to Bruce Banner. Now imagine we do away with the anode...
That would still leave the cathode, and the elecrons that are flung outward will
still crash into that, and still generate gamma.
So it seems we may not want to do that.
On the other hand, the accelleration used in Betatrons is much greater than
what I had in mind... I just want to cause a circular flow of electrical charge,
which effectively is similar to the arc generated between cathode and anode
in a gas discharge. For that we would need quite some energy flow, but we don't
necessarily need to accellerate particles to half the speed of light, such as happens
in the average Betatron. So, if we can achieve arc discharge without such
accelleration, this of course will keep the energy contained in the moving charge
carriers lower, and any collisions will also not produce such very high energy particles
or radiation.

[sparks]

     My idea was to fill a closed loop filled with ionized gas.  One portion of the circuit  is caused to be in contact with 50Farenheit water.  Ideally the infrared wave energy emitted by the water is absorbed by the gas resulting in heat transfer into the gas.  In another zone of the circuit the gas is concentrated by a magnetic field due to the response of the gas magnetic dipole moments to the external field.  This raises the temperature of the gas and heat is now radiated out into the working element.  A compressorless heat pump.  The cooled gas then is caused to return to the water bath.