Single circuits generate nuclear reactions

[DrStiffler]

I might add that the information on EMI for the gamma scout came from a telephone conversation we had today with the manufacturer's technical division...

Anyway, what we really need now is figuring out just what exactly is going on in these devices.  Is this beta?  How much?  Or Is it EMI?  If so, did both fester and Naudin get this EMI? What spectrum are we talking?  Radio? Microwave?  Is Juan for real? Is he seeing EMI rather than beta?    Not matter what, we have determined K-capture is certainly real, and so is our theoretical reaction which produces anti-neutrinos.

source: http://dayawane.ihep.ac.cn/docs/experiment.html

There is a solid theoretical foundation for what we think we are getting.
But have we actually achieved K-capture in the carbon rod ?
Is it possible the self-running effect some sort of artifact? 
Or are we generating what we hope... truckloads of beta rays which must be captured better?

What in sam's hell is going on here.  At this point we need to answer these basic questions as quickly as possible, so we know whether to replicate like crazy and build these things like cupcakes, or whether we can confirm some sort of freak EMI artifact:  I do find this unlikely, but unfortunately , given the information from gamma scout, EMI is now is within the realm of possiblitity.

I bet 3:1 we are producing excess beta.
R bets 9:1 we are producing excess beta.

Here is a conversation per R for your viewing enjoyment
R:
[fester] was getting funky 40-60 hertz 1.5KV spikes
the beta should have oscillated with those if it was emi induced
but if you're already saturating the meter with beta...
but if the meter is already roasted by all this shit
then you've got a meter that can't oscillate
there's no way the EMI could have saturated it, since the total deposited power would have been unity
he would have gotten loud clicks at 50 hertz-ish
not white noise at billions of terahertz

@Feynman
Well come the Red Eye tonight I will head back for the Hot State of Texas. I spoke via cell with Dr. Simon and Dr. Schimaire and they are sitting back wondering what is going on also. I can not wait to get back so I can look at some of these things, but my friend what I am told is the Beta idea does not pan out, at least in my lab. They spent all day today on what has been talked about and do not see significant Beta.

Looking forward to getting home so I can observe with you all what is happening.

EDIT - I forgot, the lab hit a 1/2" rod 20cm long with a spike from a 2F bank at 200V that is (2*(200^2))/2 = 4E4J and they GOT a smoked rod, believe that?

[Feynman]

@DrStiffler
Perhaps your lab can post details of the setup?  The most important variables will probably be voltage, current, and b-field flux. The 'working' experiment replication is using 99.9%+ pure carbon 5"x1/2".  Also, Was your lab using photo film or geiger counters to attempt detection?  If it is EMI, the cheap meters will click but photo film will show nothing.

I hope there is something here as well but I am beginning to wonder what is going on. Could it be that Naudin's experiments were all EMI?  That all of the 2005 VSG experiments were really caused by sensor artifacts in the gamma scout?
Naudin VSG experiments: http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/index.htm
And also the 'runaway' which we observed was also somehow induced by EMI?  Aka the screeching geiger counter and rapidly charging 'dead' sulfated battery is just some sort of microwave or magnetic interference, where both the geiger counter is picking up this EMI, *and* there is an somehow illusion of both charging and COP>1? If it's EMI, how did the voltage feedback exceed 1500V and appear to charge the battery?  This would be a confluence of many cruel factors indeed!  Though unlikely,  I hope this is not the case.

That would be a shame, but I suppose we will just have to pick up and try harder if we are observing artifacts.  There is not just one way to OU, and there are some of the best minds available on this board.  We will get there if it takes a life or a couple of days.


EDIT: I will clear my schedule tonight to resolve what is going on here, and we also need to get your lab a replication if this phenomenon is in fact real and not EMI artifact. Fester said he was aware of EMI issue over 2 days ago, says it is a non-issue, and is talking about scaling this thing up to megawatts using information from Juan, so there is a huge gulf here in terms of results and expectations between people's labs. Did you guys bias the rod with strong (N45+) neodynium magnets... the 2F pulse at 200V should have been plenty of energy to produce the effect.  In addition to non-confirmation from your lab, we also would need to find out an complete explanation for Fester's results (how did we get overloaded/screaming counter? how did we get what appeared to be self-running? how did battery appear to charge?) in order to come to some definitive conclusions.

[zerotensor]

A cloud chamber is easy to make and will give instant results if there is significant beta being produced.
All you need is a glass jar, some alcohol, dry ice, and a strong light source.

We should keep in mind that beta radiation is just high-energy electrons.  Any large electric potential will accelerate free electrons.  A magnetic field will curve the trajectory of the particles.

It could be that the increase in observed beta with the application of the magnetic field is due to the fact that the electrons are spiraling around the field lines instead of flying off in straight lines, and hence stand a better chance of interacting with the detector.

[sparks]

  I don't know if the below tempic differential intelligence of the space-time continuom circuit below is enough to get beta out of a piece of aluminum foil attached to the electron mass storage unit called earth.  I would use a couple of incandescents between ground and a piece of aluminum foil as you try to find out though.  And use caution in manipulation of the foil so you don't short out the spark gap into your body.  danger. 

@Fenyman

   I guess in keeping with the spirit of things here you could replace the aluminum foil with a slab of carbon.

[Feynman]

Yes I agree zerotensor, I thought about this the other night.  If we are getting beta, it will be coming out in some sort of deflection stream based on the orientation of the neodynium magnets and their associated magnetic flux.  So (assuming its beta, not EMI) , the 'beta flux' density will not be uniform in the space surrounding the VSG.  Cloud chamber or photo film would be a great way to tell whether which is which.



Of course, cloud chamber/photo film would only be useful on a setup which we already observe 'beta' from a geiger counter, and we want to exclude the possibility of EMI fooling the counter.  In regards to Dr. Stiffler's lab, they have not observed the 'beta' at all, even with a massive 2F discharge pulse.  This leaves us with a problem, because we at least should be able to replicate the interference (if that is indeed what it is). Can we confirm that neodyniums were used to bias the carbon?

Maybe also the detectors are 'too good'?  Perhaps Dr. Stiffler you should try the setup with the cheapest detector you've got, something so cheap that it would click off EMI. 

@As for UF, I think you should repeat the self-running experiment (do a third trial), and disconnect the battery and see if you continue to run.  Also, another good confirmation would be to check to see if the battery is really gaining usable potential or whether it is simply de-sulfating. I understand it charged from 6V to 11V very rapidly... have you tried discharging it into a resistor to see whether you actually gained usable potential energy?  How long did the 'beta' charged battery take to go down from 11V to 9V through a given resistive load? 

We've got some discrepencies to resolve...