The Paradox Engine

[telecom]

Lately I have been more curious about the disk energy issue. If we allow the condition where the disk rotates once in the observer FoR for each rotor arm rotation (which can occur with a suitable arrangement) then in the FoR of the rotor arm the disk rotates twice for each rotation of the arm.

Hi Tusk.
I'm having a hard time understanding why disk rotates twice as high in a FoR of the rotating arm...

[Tusk]

I'll give you two examples telecom, in case one doesn't hit the mark.

Easy one first, hold up one hand like a traffic cop 'stop' gesture. Hold up the other hand about half way out to the first with your index finger extended and gunsight the 6 o'clock position on the first hand with it. Now perform an orbital motion around your 'gunsight' finger with the first or 'stop' hand and note how it appears to rotate one full circle in the FoR of the finger.

With a frictionless bearing a disk orbiting on a rotor arm as in the PE apparatus does the same thing due to inertia, with no motivating force to cause it to do otherwise. If this were not so we might easily achieve OU by simply motivating a rotor arm with disks attached and reclaim the disk rotation energy along with the rotor arm energy. Possibly we might supply some other force at no cost to achieve this, but with Inertia waiting to do our bidding why complicate things and work backwards?   

In the illustration the same thing applies using a disk, a central axis and a mark on the disk. The rotor arm is implied but not shown. As the disk orbits clockwise the mark remains at the 6 o'clock position due to the inertia of the disk, so that in the FoR of the main axis the disk rotates twice with each orbit. In the observer FoR it only rotates once in each orbit.

We are spoilt for choice with the PE concept; I naturally went after those advantageous motions which seemed the more accessible. Which doesn't necessarily mean that this one is permanently out of reach, but we do face the problem of rotor arm reversal when recovering energy from an EM unit situated in the FoR of the rotor arm. I'm still not even certain whether a sudden 'impulse' type recovery would overcome the problem, there would definitely be a reversal but perhaps if this occurs rapidly enough we would not lose the extra energy. I doubt there exists guidance from a precedent due to the unique nature of the secondary reaction. One for future experimentation then.

[telecom]

I'm very sorry, Tusk,
but I'm not getting this!
Perhaps my IQ is not high enough to be able to understand this motion...
May be I should make some kind of a simple model out of cardboard to better see all the mechanics?
In any case, I can trust you that the speed of the disk is in fact 2X of the arm.
We will loose the momentum during the reversal of the arm, this is why may be to
make it to rotate with a constant speed, and yet produce an extra power?
Regards.

[Tusk]

I'm not getting this

Not to worry telecom, we are covering a wide range of unique conditions so nobody could be expected to stay in step throughout the entire parade 

I wonder if including the driven motion in the illustration would help? I'll also mark up the secondary reaction so you can see what's going on.

We will loose the momentum during the reversal of the arm, this is why may be to
make it to rotate with a constant speed, and yet produce an extra power?

That's one solution, if it transpires that we can substitute an EM resistance and get continuous energy recovery. I think this limits the OU potential to 200% theoretical maximum, sacrificing the rotor arm reversal; but the continuous output would probably make that viable, maybe more so. Since we intend to use the rotor arm shaft as an output shaft that half of the system should be straightforward. An outer ring of coils (bench mounted) seems like a viable proposition as an inertial substitute and simultaneous EM recovery method, but this is uncharted territory. More experimentation required, although the current apparatus may suffice with the addition of some external elements.
     

[telecom]

Hi Tusk,
I think in the first picture you are referring to the disc driven by the rotation
of the arm where the inertia of the disc is keeping it in one position, making it to rotate.
In the second picture you add up a force from an EM drive, which I think
makes it to rotate even faster due to the reaction of the EM drive.
Now, it would be interesting to see the disc to be driven externally by the chain.
What would be the rotation of the arm in relation to the disc?