The Paradox Engine

[telecom]

Hi Tusk,
( finally the right way)
the pulley contact area will be half of the wheel only if they are of the same size,
as my experience with the bike chains tells me.

I'm more enthusiastic about recovering energy at the disk axis with a generator. Staying with half of the original cyclic system and alternating between power in (at the EM drive unit) and power out at the disk axis and rotor arm axis, I intend to sacrifice rotor arm reversal in the interest of simplicity. Since the retarding force on the rotor arm during regenerative braking will be minimised (due to the lesser lever arm bias across the generator diameter) it should be possible to cycle between power in (with power out at rotor arm axis) and power out at disk axis (rotor arm 'coasting' + minimal retardation from bias at generator).

This appears to offer the best compromise for an actual OU prototype as the next step up from the current apparatus, which proves the concept but apparently not as convincingly as I expected, most likely due to the convoluted and incredible nature of the various phenomena and the interactions thereof; something akin to a trail of breadcrumbs through a bakery.

In this case we need to use sliding contacts or brushes to retrieve the energy
back from the discs as well as accelerate them. This is not a trivial technical task,
IMHO.

[Tusk]

Not necessarily telecom; the generator at the disk axis would be mounted on the rotor arm, so could feed the EM drive unit directly. And the generator at the main (rotor arm) axis might be mounted such that the armature remains stationary in the observer FoR while the stator/case mounted in the FoR of the rotor arm therefore rotates with the rotor arm. This would place all wiring in the FoR of the rotor arm, these ideas firing once again 'from the hip' btw, and largely as a result of your questions and suggestions 

With regard to the main axis generator we might be looking at lower RPM (this depends on mass ratios, distribution etc) so a stepper motor should do the trick, bearing in mind there's a substantial OU potential here but the prototype need only achieve self running with maybe an LED or two for demonstration purposes. Also some sort of governor/regulator to stop everything 'running away' since a perfect balance of power required and power generated seems unlikely.

[telecom]

Hi Tusk,
so after all, it became a doable task!

This would place all wiring in the FoR of the rotor arm, these ideas firing once again 'from the hip' btw, and largely as a result of your questions and suggestions 

If I understood your ideas correctly, you are talking about 2 generators:
One is mounted on a rotary arm either coaxial with the disc axis, or driven by the pulley attached to the disk axis
in such a way as to harvest an energy of the disc deceleration and, perhaps, to recharge the battery which
drives the EM drive for the disc acceleration.

The second generator is mounted inversely, where its stator with the wires being coaxial with the central axis of the rotary arm
and being rotated together with it, while the rotor is stationary in our FoR. This will serve to completely recharge the battery, so
the disc can be going  On and Off "forever".
Or we can mount the second generator in a normal way attached to the rotating arm, in its FoR, but the rotor is driven by the pulley attached to the central axis of the rotating arm, which has to be stationary in this case in our FoR.

Why not to place an additional pulley on  the rotating arm, coaxial to the central axis, and drive a third generator in our FoR, to power a couple of LEDs just for fun?
Also some sort of governor/regulator to stop everything 'running away' since a perfect balance of power required and power generated seems unlikely.
I think Bessler used a mechanical brakes for this purpose...
Regards.

[Tusk]

so after all, it became a doable task!

Indeed, much less intimidating from an engineering perspective. There is still the problem of automatic control of the cycle sequence, timing etc; but not insurmountable even for a kit level electronics hobbyist. So yes, thanks to your input (and that of others such as webby1 and broli) we seem to have cooked up a relatively simple outline for a prototype self runner. I think there's enough information here for anyone to 'have a go' if they so desire. Much more convincing if someone else gets one up and running, although I will attempt it if time and resources permit.

Job done then   

[telecom]

May be we don't need a generator driven by the disk since the EM drive can become
a generator during the deceleration. Or instead of the  EM drive can be used an
ordinary motor which drives the disc with something like a gear drive? Which
becomes a generator during the decel?