My humble prediction: We won't have an available free energy product in ages.

[bugler]

@Bugler: all information about the Hydro device is what is on the website I linked, .....

Thanks for the effort and time to answer me.


Right now I don't have the time to study that device (anyway I would have to be invited to the forum for that).


What I am saying is that even if this device is for real we won't see it ever. Something will happen in the way to production and it will never make it to the market. It is the eternal story.


What is happening with Ismael Aviso who can create electricity out of coil shorttening? Nothing
What about cold fusion (read peswiki) that in 2012 would be commercially available? Nothing
Etc, etc, etc.


I am not saying there is no way to get free energy. I think Tesla, Mooray and some others made it. I am saying even if possible we won't see it. This hydro project, if real, will be infiltrated and destroyed somehow.


The wealthiest family (Rothschild) are stimated to have a fortune between 100-500 trillion. They are so rich they don't even pay a dime for their house as they live in national places so everything is taken care by the tax-payers (search Evelyn de Rothschil). They have desinged the current crisis, the WW wars, terrorism, etc,etc and most people insult you when you talk about it cause they are completely maniipulated by the media and Hollywood. Most people still don't know that 911 was a mossad op. They will prevent for ever free energy.
We first need to get rid of them and then we can have a better world including free energy.

[WilbyInebriated]

nothing is more amusing than a fascist loser with delusions of grandeur...

thanks for the belly laughs at your expense AP.

[Cap-Z-ro]

Well, sorry to break up the party, but apparently 'free energy' has just been discovered by J Valdez.

It is a very basic apparatus involving a few cans of aribicas beans and an enema hose.

[Tusk]

You make some very good points bugler. Presuming that you are correct about the vested interest situation, then considering the not inconsiderable risk that someone with the 'key' would expose themselves to by coming here and open sourcing their work, you would hope that the members would grant them a warm welcome and a fair hearing.

Have you thought about what you might expect if this ever did happen? (full open source disclosure of OU) From the point of view of the material itself, and how it would be received. Allow me to postulate:

Since the material itself will be non-conventional (otherwise it could not produce OU) then as regards comprehension (of the material) it might just as well come from, say, aliens from another world. In which case you might expect a bit of a struggle to comprehend it.

As a result of this you can also expect a majority of members to reject the material out of hand, since most people react badly to someone apparently talking nonsense.

The individual presenting (actually gifting) the material is very likely to come across as somewhat arrogant and also ignorant or at least cavalier in their handling of conventional physics. The latter due to a superior knowledge, the former simply an artifact of their confidence in the material conflicting with a general perception by the members that the individual makes claims which seem to be in error.

Also we must not necessarily expect that this individual will posses all the skills and resources necessary to first discover the key, then design and further build a device which takes advantage of it in order to validate their work. We should rather expect or even demand a documentation of the material in which each element may be held up for scrutiny and tested independently by those in the community with the required skills and resources.     

So we could expect that such an event would by reason of it's own convolution require a longer period of time to become recognisable for what it was; that additional period only increasing the level of risk to the author of the work, which if he or she were intelligent enough to hold the key to OU would by reason of that wisdom be fully aware of such increased risk, and so would need a steady hand, total commitment to advancing the work and a considerable reserve of patience.

This is much to ask of any one individual; that they would fall under attack by those not given to accepting new paradigms is without doubt. Such an individual might at first seem strange, both in the way they present their work and in the mannerisms of their normal communications. But we could be fairly certain that an individual thus disposed would be prepared for these difficulties, and having accepted them would deliver the precious knowledge into our hands without any ill feelings, being that they would be, after all, well disposed towards us in the first instance else the gift would not be forthcoming.

Just a thought. Since I'm here, have you checked out my main thread at

http://www.overunity.com/13102/the-paradox-engine/#.UK9HQmfp5Qw

Btw I would greatly appreciate it if you would copy the material and reply making it clear that you had done so, regardless of whether you accept the premise or not. 

[Jack Noskills]

You make some very good points bugler. Presuming that you are correct about the vested interest situation, then considering the not inconsiderable risk that someone with the 'key' would expose themselves to by coming here and open sourcing their work, you would hope that the members would grant them a warm welcome and a fair hearing.

Have you thought about what you might expect if this ever did happen? (full open source disclosure of OU) From the point of view of the material itself, and how it would be received.

It does not have to be difficult, look at this:

http://www.overunity.com/12487/simple-to-build-isolation-transformer-that-consumes-less-power-than-it-gives-out/msg346358/#msg346358

Turn any trafo more efficient, and if trafo as normal trafo is efficient enough the it gives OU. Check the question I ask in above link, can anyone give an answer to what is going on ?