9/11 truth movement topic

[d3adp00l]

Just for the record light poles are designed for anything but to break away.

[ring_theory]

Just for the record light poles are designed for anything but to break away.

Ok if you say so. They are breakaway. You may be referring to utility poles? 

[d3adp00l]

signs are designed to break. type 31, or slipbase poles are designed not to break the bolts but are still not necessarily designed to break. they are designed with a weakness but only compared to the main body of the pole. The amount of force the poles are designed to endure it pretty stout, but the concrete is designed strong than the pole and the main body is over designed for the forces involved. Saying that those designed specs are to "break away" is miss leading. It would be more accurate to say that the anchor bolts, and main body are overly engineered, and the base is designed to withstand high wind, most impacts, earthquakes, and natural harmonics of vibration. Like I said the base is simply weaker than the body and the concrete/rebar anchor system.

The more interesting aspect is, regardless of the breakage, how much damage would be inflicted onto an aircraft that impacted them hard enough to break them. The point of impact would have invariably involved at least one wing, which would involve fuel, so if a plane hit them were are them parts of the plane that would have been ripped off. The luminares would have acted like hooks in the skin and insides of the plane, wheres the damage to the heads, and the parts on the road.

Now if you needed a clear flight path through the poles, could they be "popped" at the base. sure.

[mikestocks2006]

Long thread. Not sure if these were mentioned before, but here are a couple of pics from the wtc right after the collapse, and some info on video tapes covering the pentagon incident.

Some interesting evidence, thermite residue? or?


Note the above pic is at street level


It looks like a clear 45 deg cut on one of the huge main support columns needed to facilitate collapse? It would indicate intense localized heat, look at the molten steel residue and the cut. Basically straight lines at 45 deg angle while the rest of the column is basically intact. 

Also bombs alert as recorded by the firefighters:
Fireman: ?bomb in the building start clearing out?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574366633014832928&q=9%2F11%20bomb

Draw your own conclusions...



Another interesting subtopic, is the great number of video tapes (80+)? that were covering the pentagon incident. Also keep in mind that the Virginia DOT right across the street is/was covering the area 24/7. Not to mention the many tapes from reporters and hotel cameras near by, seized immediately after the incident and not released after so many years.

"government's denial to FOIA request for the 85 video recordings related to flight 77"
http://www.flight77.info/00new/n85reply.jpg
http://www.flight77.info/documents.htm

If the tapes show flight 77 hitting the building, it would only strengthen the govt?s position. Why not disclose it after so many years? What?s there to hide anymore?

Anyway, these subjects of discussion can get heated and polarize many people.
Hopefully, and eventually the details will come out, however it may happen at a time where it most likely will not matter anymore?

Ok back to researching physics and OU developments

[d3adp00l]

And of course a collapsing building causes its main support collumns to be cut by heat leaving melted iron behind, it would have to cause nice flat and angled cuts right? And it would do this because of the tremendous heat caused by friction, ya thats it.

If a real investigation had been done we would know just about everything those buildings went through. almost every piece of steel was unique to its location in the building therefore the whole thing could have been laid out and examined. And for the first time that I know of our officials took the "well its obvious what happened, we don't have to look too hard" approach. Well maybe not the first time, JFK was one of those times, flight 800 (pretty sure thats what it was called).