9/11 truth movement topic

[ring_theory]

Oh Christ... I really hope I don't have to waste another week on this debate... Right now my focus is on campaigning for my candidate. This debate doesn't help me do that...

1) I don't believe the government launched the attacks, I believe they used them to push an agenda. I do however believe that a small group of people in high political power stood by and let the attack happen.

2) Loose change is bullshit... Roughly 80% of it is conspiracy nut job banter. A total attempt to discredit others.

3) I advocate a new investigation, thats it. NIST reports do not account for molten iron, fall times, or even offer a explanation for wtc7 collapse. Many people are accusing the government, because they are covering things up. Lots of evidence is still classified, which causes people to suspect them... Again my position is: We need a new totally transparent investigation.

Now you reply: "Well even if they did another investigation you won't like the results." to which I reply "All I want is a new investigation that tackles a lot of these 911 myths as well as the physicly impossible fall time of wtc7 and the intense heat required for such a event to happen. Then you reply: "The floors were only made to sustain a static load. Why wouldn't they fall like that while on fire?" to which I would reply "that would make sence if the internal columbs kept standing, but they fell faster than the building did. Hence the 'crimp' in the roof prefall."

Can you see why this gets us nowhere... I don't have time to go back and forth quoting people and pulling apart their logic each and every day. My 2 points have not been challanged propperly. Molten steel pre-collapse, and fall times. Look through the vast collection of data in this thread and you'll either agree or not. At this point though I don't care. I can't change your mind... Its never going to happen, as this isn't even a debate. It's more like a religious argument since no one changes their stance on the topic... EVER!!!

~Dingus Mungus

While I don't want to see the thread removed in the name of censorship, I disagree with a lot of the info contained in it. So to put it bluntly: Why would I want to spend all my time defending a thread, when our nation needs defending?

Dingus Collapse and fall times may compare to a avalanche or landslide, mud flow, etc in nature. What we think may be a sturdy non giving structure offers little or no resistance to such masses in a combined energy release as such.

The other issue you refuse to concede to. Jneko offered a couple links supporting their opinion and findings. Did you even click on the links?

Oh yeah i love that you offered another political distraction to the thread.  another politition offering what the people want to hear. YEAH VOTE FOR THAT GUY HE KNOWS WHAT WE WANT! There is definitely something wrong with that picture.

[Dact]

@Dingus

Your quote about a "small group of people" pretty much sums up this whole thread, for only a small group would be able to perpetrate any conspiracy. To conspire to carry out all the 9/11 events would have required a VERY large number of people, all sworn to secrecy, and here is the scary part. ALL would have had to agree that over 3,000 American citizens would need to be sacrificed for their "end". I can't believe that not one has suffered enough guilt pangs to come forward! I know, money talks, and that may be the clue we all need. An enormous amount of money would be needed to buy silence, so follow that trail. If true, then the trail exists. Find the trail! These endless arguments mean nothing without it!

And one more thing. If it turned out to be true that this administration orchestrated this, the repercussion would be nothing short of another American revolution. The time would have come for the people to take back their government.

[Dact]

Mostly OT... But some people will get a kick out of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlQ2Dnmeeq0

Good!

[Dingus Mungus]

Well fortunately for the truth movement and this thread I'm not a corner stone to the facts... You newbs can chill in here and post all the debunking you want. I on the other hand can't afford to waste the time needed to re-refute all the points you're attempting to make. As I said before even if I clearly expained my position over and over, its not going to help you or hurt you. Nothing would change at all. So in closing I got better things to do these days than argue with you guys.

Enjoy the thread!
~Dingus Mungus

[buzneg]

I've spent a lot of time too on other forums Dingus. I'm pritty much tired of it myself and don't bother much anymore. It's like trying to tell a child that his dad purposely shot his dog, and not that it was hit by a car. Total rejection. And this is emotional rejection not logical.