9/11 truth movement topic

[HopeForHumanity]

@ H4H

"Nevermind pointing out how you just contradicted yourself through putting down others," Are you blind? not reading d3ad's posts?

"You obviosly have not seen enough darkness from the U.S government to understand why some people on this thread hate it so much." I've seen way more than my share of govt abuses! Up close and personal! I have *personally* endured at least 4 traumatic events at the hands of the govt. Not to mention the 10-15 other people i know that have also suffered and continue to suffer at the hands of the govt. plus probably 50 others that was abused due to too loose of regulation of govt related entities. I have been falsely accused on more than one occasion and once due to it convicted loosing my freedoms for 6 months by the local govt. So don't assume I don't know just how horrible the govt can be!!

With that said the govt abuse that is endured by many on a daily basis would be pale in comparison to the anarchy within a revolt against the govt.

@ALL
Don't you people understand that this is one of the things the terrorists desire?? To turn the people against their govt! To break down the ranks and authority of the govt through acts of terrorism! To break the financial structure of the govt! To make the people doubt the govt ability to protect it's people! Is the govt a perfect and just govt? NO Is the govt better than anarchy? Hell YEAH! You want the govt that has already proven to be quite abusive into a militant state against it's own people?? If so lead a revolt of any kind! see what the govt response is! See what the peoples response is! Consider what the various gangs response would be? Did you even think about that?? no govt to keep gang violence down and in a state of anarchy the gangs will take over the streets.  Frankly I'm putting the revolutionaries in the cross hairs for they would be the ones causing the militant state, and forcing the govt to go militant and in kind further restricting our already trampled liberties and freedoms! Our right to assemble would be the first to go.           

A response to this,

I don't need police to protect me, I'm trained to handle and have lots of guns. I am independent and can protect my self. I won't be the body they examine after the shooting happened. In your words, if this happened to you, you would be the body examined. As you are the person who actualy believes the police are there to protect. I wish I was there armed before the VT shooting happened. I would have attempted to take down his terrible aimed ass before he killed more students. Many minutes later, the police will come and clean up the dead.

[d3adp00l]

Amen. Under the guise of protection, many secrets have been made. Its for your protection, so we can't tell you. What a load of bs. This is something my father told me and it is true for everything, "if you can't tell everyone what your doing, then you shouldn't be doing it". The government and all its agencies should be as transparent as glass, if you have nothing to hide then show it, and it you show it you will have nothing to hide, or worry about.

@ring, last response, since I had not seen your last response before my previous post.
"If your so smart why are you wasting your time and supposed genius on this thread??"
Simple, to study the real reason behind your death grip on a lie, and backing of a government that thinks you are a worthless retard that only gets in their way. Now that I have that answer, there is no more use in conversing with you. BTW If you want the evidence go back into the thread, I put it there many times, in plain english, why the Government WAS involved, not exculsively, but instrumentally never the less. And it has used its actions that day to get to where it is now, and it all was planned.

[ring_theory]

I will now explain ring theory,

You have been subject to a system where people are forced to give to others, independece is non-existant, people rely on eachother. If a father is forced to give up his money to a child support sucking jobless women, it's socialy exceptable. Family law has conditioned America to believe freedom is fairness, that is messed up. Freedom is the ability to be independent without effecting the independence of others. Because somebody holds a job that pays more than the other that person is called unfair, or selfish. People do not understand he worked hard to become what he is. We cannot tell the difference anymore from selfishness and hardworking. We live in a society where people will force someone to be normal, and worse, force people to accept a minority. At first it will seem strange that I think it's wrong, but the keyword is force. A government that forces it's people to do anything is a dictatorship, voting or not. You have been the victim of this society, you have been forced to think that the WTC was destroyed by terrorist, before realizing that your just excepting what people say, you try to force it on the people presenting evidence of the opposite. You are taking freedom away from this thread by arguing your opinnion on to others, when the threads purpose is only geared towards presenting the alternative solution to why the WTC fell. You ignore the thread title. You could have been open to both opinnions, but instead you make it clear you believe in popular oppinion only. By the rate of evidence from both sides I am at a balance. I know you will think it's wrong for others on this thread to force their oppinion on you, but the problem is that this is what the threads about, the alternative reason. They have a right to eduacate their oppinnion on you, because it's the threads point, a movement. You do not have the right to force your oppinnion on them, because it's in agreement with the stationary popular oppinnion. If you continue to explain them what the majority of people think, it isn't a movement it's stationary, and stationary things prevent freedom. I know you will have a negative reply to what I said, but thats ok, it will take you time to understand why this post is so important for you. 

believe what you want. However it seems i am on the side of the least popular opinion. simply because my investigation of sorts somehow remotely fits in with the govt opinion is purely coincidental. I have said it many times in this thread "I wanted it to be a govt cover up" When I started investigating the possibly that the current administration was at fault. however over the course of 3 years or better i have come to realize that the truth movement was just a wild conspiracy nothing more.

[ring_theory]

@ H4H

"Nevermind pointing out how you just contradicted yourself through putting down others," Are you blind? not reading d3ad's posts?

"You obviosly have not seen enough darkness from the U.S government to understand why some people on this thread hate it so much." I've seen way more than my share of govt abuses! Up close and personal! I have *personally* endured at least 4 traumatic events at the hands of the govt. Not to mention the 10-15 other people i know that have also suffered and continue to suffer at the hands of the govt. plus probably 50 others that was abused due to too loose of regulation of govt related entities. I have been falsely accused on more than one occasion and once due to it convicted loosing my freedoms for 6 months by the local govt. So don't assume I don't know just how horrible the govt can be!!

With that said the govt abuse that is endured by many on a daily basis would be pale in comparison to the anarchy within a revolt against the govt.

@ALL
Don't you people understand that this is one of the things the terrorists desire?? To turn the people against their govt! To break down the ranks and authority of the govt through acts of terrorism! To break the financial structure of the govt! To make the people doubt the govt ability to protect it's people! Is the govt a perfect and just govt? NO Is the govt better than anarchy? Hell YEAH! You want the govt that has already proven to be quite abusive into a militant state against it's own people?? If so lead a revolt of any kind! see what the govt response is! See what the peoples response is! Consider what the various gangs response would be? Did you even think about that?? no govt to keep gang violence down and in a state of anarchy the gangs will take over the streets.  Frankly I'm putting the revolutionaries in the cross hairs for they would be the ones causing the militant state, and forcing the govt to go militant and in kind further restricting our already trampled liberties and freedoms! Our right to assemble would be the first to go.           

A response to this,

I don't need police to protect me, I'm trained to handle and have lots of guns. I am independent and can protect my self. I won't be the body they examine after the shooting happened. In your words, if this happened to you, you would be the body examined. As you are the person who actualy believes the police are there to protect. I wish I was there armed before the VT shooting happened. I would have attempted to take down his terrible aimed ass before he killed more students. Many minutes later, the police will come and clean up the dead.

The police won't protect you! that's one of the 4 traumas and the last one inflicted personally. I doubt i would be the body. and i cannot for the life of me see where i stated that i would be. Your reading into things that just are not there.   

[ring_theory]

Amen. Under the guise of protection, many secrets have been made. Its for your protection, so we can't tell you. What a load of bs. This is something my father told me and it is true for everything, "if you can't tell everyone what your doing, then you shouldn't be doing it". The government and all its agencies should be as transparent as glass, if you have nothing to hide then show it, and it you show it you will have nothing to hide, or worry about.

@ring, last response, since I had not seen your last response before my previous post.
"If your so smart why are you wasting your time and supposed genius on this thread??"
Simple, to study the real reason behind your death grip on a lie, and backing of a government that thinks you are a worthless retard that only gets in their way. Now that I have that answer, there is no more use in conversing with you. BTW If you want the evidence go back into the thread, I put it there many times, in plain english, why the Government WAS involved, not exculsively, but instrumentally never the less. And it has used its actions that day to get to where it is now, and it all was planned.

You want to know why I have a death grip on a lie?? The lie is in the form of a truth movement. there is no truth within the truth movement other than the govt is a bunch of lying deceiving pathetic excuses for man that i have ever seen grace the face of the planet.  Instrumentally they failed to protect us from threats domestic and foreign. I answered your questions till you started acting childish. there is no evidence in the thread i have reviewed it several times there is nothing  substantial either way to prove either point.