9/11 truth movement topic

[ring_theory]

I like hearing stuff like this!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070821/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cheney_subpoenas

[d3adp00l]

Something I noticed while watching the video was when they talked about steel losing strength at certain temperatures. I remmebered that heat rises, IF the fire was hot enough to make the steel lose strength, then it would only be above the fire, because the heat from the fire, like how it rises, would only rise through the steel the same way. This would mean the steel at the base would be in perfect strength and probably many floors below the fire as well, greatly slowing the speed at which it could fall. But this isn't the case, which can only be explained by demolition. So to conclude, if the fire was hot enough to make the steel lose strength, then it would weaken upward from the initial fire, and then burn slowly back down like a candle.

Don't forget about the cooling wind that high up. Anyone who has tried to heat steel up to bend it knows that unless you have an extremely hot flame that you can move all over the steel to rise the temp uniformly its not gonna bend. And if you have any wind at all, it cools the steel much faster making the process a pain. In fact I have never seen a hydrocarbon (fuel) based torch that can heat steel enough to even weaken it. I tried many times while fabricating, knows it would not work, but hoping that a 12 ton press might make it feasable. Every time its the same results, a map torch (plumbers) can't get the steel red hot like it has to be to bend, propane has no chance at all. Acetalene and pure O2 with a rose bud tip (big fat one) does the trick but it uses a lot of gas, and has to be mixed correctly. Any smokey flame has zero ability to get steel that hot.

[ring_theory]

Something I noticed while watching the video was when they talked about steel losing strength at certain temperatures. I remmebered that heat rises, IF the fire was hot enough to make the steel lose strength, then it would only be above the fire, because the heat from the fire, like how it rises, would only rise through the steel the same way. This would mean the steel at the base would be in perfect strength and probably many floors below the fire as well, greatly slowing the speed at which it could fall. But this isn't the case, which can only be explained by demolition. So to conclude, if the fire was hot enough to make the steel lose strength, then it would weaken upward from the initial fire, and then burn slowly back down like a candle.

Don't forget about the cooling wind that high up. Anyone who has tried to heat steel up to bend it knows that unless you have an extremely hot flame that you can move all over the steel to rise the temp uniformly its not gonna bend. And if you have any wind at all, it cools the steel much faster making the process a pain. In fact I have never seen a hydrocarbon (fuel) based torch that can heat steel enough to even weaken it. I tried many times while fabricating, knows it would not work, but hoping that a 12 ton press might make it feasable. Every time its the same results, a map torch (plumbers) can't get the steel red hot like it has to be to bend, propane has no chance at all. Acetalene and pure O2 with a rose bud tip (big fat one) does the trick but it uses a lot of gas, and has to be mixed correctly. Any smokey flame has zero ability to get steel that hot.

you don't have one clue do you! The wind help fuel the fire! IT DID NOT PUT IT OUT OR LOWER THE TEMP!! Had the wind not been one of the elements present than sure the fire would have smothered out as you suggest. Your misguided theory of where there is smoke there is no fire is incorrect. Many plastics and rubber burn as hot as they can get and yet still smoke pure black. BAH! 

[HopeForHumanity]

Something I noticed while watching the video was when they talked about steel losing strength at certain temperatures. I remmebered that heat rises, IF the fire was hot enough to make the steel lose strength, then it would only be above the fire, because the heat from the fire, like how it rises, would only rise through the steel the same way. This would mean the steel at the base would be in perfect strength and probably many floors below the fire as well, greatly slowing the speed at which it could fall. But this isn't the case, which can only be explained by demolition. So to conclude, if the fire was hot enough to make the steel lose strength, then it would weaken upward from the initial fire, and then burn slowly back down like a candle.

Don't forget about the cooling wind that high up. Anyone who has tried to heat steel up to bend it knows that unless you have an extremely hot flame that you can move all over the steel to rise the temp uniformly its not gonna bend. And if you have any wind at all, it cools the steel much faster making the process a pain. In fact I have never seen a hydrocarbon (fuel) based torch that can heat steel enough to even weaken it. I tried many times while fabricating, knows it would not work, but hoping that a 12 ton press might make it feasable. Every time its the same results, a map torch (plumbers) can't get the steel red hot like it has to be to bend, propane has no chance at all. Acetalene and pure O2 with a rose bud tip (big fat one) does the trick but it uses a lot of gas, and has to be mixed correctly. Any smokey flame has zero ability to get steel that hot.

you don't have one clue do you! The wind help fuel the fire! IT DID NOT PUT IT OUT OR LOWER THE TEMP!! Had the wind not been one of the elements present than sure the fire would have smothered out as you suggest. Your misguided theory of where there is smoke there is no fire is incorrect. Many plastics and rubber burn as hot as they can get and yet still smoke pure black. BAH! 

Yes ring theory this is true, however, that only happens after wind entered the fire. The wind that day was very weak and constant judging by the smoke of the tower. You need heavy pulsed gusts to create a bigger fire. Every camper knows that when you blow on a fire to feed it oxygen that when your blowing it sucks down and doesn't realease flame, after you stop blowing heavly it finnally bursts up. YOU DID NOT SEE THIS IN ANY RECORDING OF THE TOWERS, MEANING THAT THERE WAS NO PULSED WIND GUSTS!

[Tinker]

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