The Solution vs Hoax equation

[audiomaker]

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But then, not suprising really. What is energy if not simply mass in motion?

That notion, I will have to pass on addressing in this thread

[TinselKoala]

Quickly, no I don't have a device.  In the light YT and other presentations, and as a matter of motive, I wanted to approach the topic from the chair of someone who believed they did.
I just want to clear that up.

Yes, I understood that from the beginning.  A rhetorical issue and one that served its purpose: sites like this one, while important, are not the way to get your free energy device _for which you have a working prototype_ to capitalization and production, and there are viable alternatives, more than one, where claims that have a chance of being real can apply for help and funding.

Also, I apologize for not better explaining my usage of the word "suppression".  I was not suggesting suppression from skeptics, I was suggesting suppression as in inventors having untimely fatal accidents, which I assume has crossed the mind of most people who thought they could build a device...at one time or another.   As I have stated, skeptics are invaluable, and I would imagine for the most part, are usually correct.

Peace

Hmmm.... so you are suggesting that the fear of having an "untimely fatal accident" has deterred someone from building or publicising a device that works? Not a random accident but one orchestrated by..... whom? Either you believe in an organized suppression conspiracy ( or conspiracies) or you don't. I'm sure that some inventors are huddled over their magnet motors and gravity wheels working in secret for fear of the kind of suppression you mean. There are also people who believe that they are Jesus or Napoleon, sometimes on alternate days of the week.
We know what we know, and we know we don't know everything. But we don't know what we  don't know... it is a vast space, possible knowledge.  Certainly, if nobody knows of your work, you will be safe from conspirators cutting your brakelines or planting a bomb inside your cereal box.

[TinselKoala]

I never said the turbine had to be in the vehicle.

The point of a turbine is a steady RPM generator to convert the source of energy into electricity via an alternator. A single turbine in your garage could power both your house and store electricity to charge your car battery bank. The issue then comes down to what fuel runs the turbine and there are many options for that raw material. One concept for electric cars is to plug it in overnight and give you local commuting range for work and leisure during the day. The difference is that you would be providing your own on site processing of raw material into electricity and cut the grid companies out completely.

Additionally the Mazda rotary engine has maximum power output at 8,500RPM and they had no problem with gaining a safety rating from the relevant authorities. Agreed it's not 20,000RPM but there are unexplored options for personal rotary turbines that may produce acceptable power output at lower speeds.

http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/rotary/about/

1) I have no problem with stationary turbine power plants, in fact they would be good sources for my wireless auto power transmission scheme using the guardrails and antennae embedded at stoplights and other stopping points for transmission to the autos.
2) the Mazda engine only makes that RPM when it is topped out, it isn't a constant RPM device like a turbine power plant would be. In a vehicle you'd operate the turbine at a constant RPM to turn your genset to make power for the wheelmotors. But leaving the turbine in the garage is a much better idea.

[Tusk]

There are also people who believe that they are Jesus or Napoleon, sometimes on alternate days of the week.

I demand to know who, and which days. I have first dibs on Tuesday through Friday (Napoleon). Nothing going on Saturday through Monday - what sort of nut would think they were JC 

[TinselKoala]

@audiomaker: hey, I'm firmly in the skeptic's corner but I'm no cop. I'm more like the fellow who wants to keep things quiet and orderly so that the cops _don't_ have to come. Any community should police itself first, before abdicating that responsibility to some governing _force_.
After all, I've stated my beliefs and delusions about what Tesla called the Wheelworks of Nature and I'm doing work of my own involving at least visualizing what might be there and "borrowing" some of it for a while even though I have to return it right away. And lately I'm learning that high power/high voltage/high current might not be necessarily the way. Nature might like to be tickled and teased, rather than bullied and forced, to open up her secrets...
But if research isn't done correctly, and if conclusions based on bad measurements or no measurements at all are made that indicate, falsely, overunity performance from some device or system.... . that only hurts everyone concerned. There's no stigma attached to trying, failing, and reporting failure. That is how we learn what _won't_ work, often more important to know than what _might_ work. But if one misinterprets and misuses an instrument or procedure, makes math and reasoning errors, and then claims OU success based on that.... it really really  needs to be pointed out and corrected and in fact hammered home until the "offender" recants and admits the error of his... or her.... ways. To do otherwise is to allow falsity and misdirection to detract and distract from our real work of discovery.
If you can call it that....