1850 Watts free energy power ? New GEGENE circuit by JL Naudin shows COP = 2.8

[Madebymonkeys]

ok you are wright

but a troll repeat the same thing again and again ...
stop trolling

I agree, I have mentioned that PF should be considered a couple of times.
Nobody has disputed this yet, I could be wrong - does PF play a big part in the core measurements of this system? Is it the single most important measurement in terms of validation? All the claims are based on power measurements, all I am saying is that they aren't measured properly. Are you saying they are or are you just looking for an argument, I sure wasn't - I thought this info was useful?

Seems to me a troll is someone who points out things which are (not might be) wrong - this benefits others! Dont label people trolls just because they offer sensible advice which you don't like.

Sorry if that appears a little harsh.

Have you replicated the cct or do you have anything to offer to the people who might - or are you simply here to belittle the people who don't blindly believe something is correct?

I don't consider myself a troll although your little outburst certainly makes me feel that you are.

Offer some useful info - don't just bully people who offer sensible info and opinion. There are more opinions than yours. What was wrong with the info or the way it was presented?

You're the troll

PS: Are you happy for people to repeat test setup a which aren't correct? Why wouldn't you want to help people? Oh, and helping people isn't necessarily just cheer leading and back slapping - sometimes it's educating people on common measurement errors - this is important as its all part of the validation process......unless you think 'doing things properly' is wrong?

[ramset]

MBM
Your Benevolence is getting a bit "strong",Naudlin has been doing this a long time,I don't think he's a hotplate salesman looking to "score" a big month.

The Recent Mix is even more interesting ATM .

Thx
Chet

[JouleSeeker]

Trying to stop people wasting their time and hopefully drawing people's attention to things that have been missed or measured poorly.

What are you doing on the thread

So, madebymonkeys, you keep telling us that this Gegene device is "measured poorly" and to stop "wasting time." 

IF you are not a troll, tell us HOW to measure the input power PROPERLY. 

I challenge you to do it, and stop wasting our time, if you are not a troll.

[Madebymonkeys]

So, madebymonkeys, you keep telling us that this Gegene device is "measured poorly" and to stop "wasting time." 

IF you are not a troll, tell us HOW to measure the input power PROPERLY. 

I challenge you to do it, and stop wasting our time, if you are not a troll.

There is a link in post#94 - I added that link so people could see how to measure it. Have a read, if any of it is confusing so let me know and I will do my best to answer your questions.

If you have a better way of measuring it with accuracy do post it.

MBM.

[Madebymonkeys]

There is a link in post#94 - I added that link so people could see how to measure it. Have a read, if any of it is confusing so let me know and I will do my best to answer your questions.

If you have a better way of measuring it with accuracy do post it.

MBM.

There are also a lot of meters on the market to do the job although they are quite pricey, here is a brochure for one which has some good reviews although there are many. Do note the comment in the brochure about PF being the most important measurement when determining power.

http://c418683.r83.cf2.rackcdn.com/uploaded/BUWT1800_00EN_020.pdf

Without a dedicated meter you need to take some decent bandwidth (to catch harmonics) voltage and current measurements over time and do the math shown in my previous link.

It's not straightforward but it's important to do it right otherwise you end up with a product which is illegal to connect to the grid and also some unbelievable power measurements (output significantly larger than input etc).

It's worth doing right.

I use a local test house to do testing as they have the equipment (I don't) - costs about 30mins in time although our test house is quite flexible (some have a minimum of a half day).

Sorry if the above sounds 'trolly' - just trying to point in the right direction because its important - things not done right cause lots of confusion......see 'cold fusion' and its measurement errors, it went from 'wow, the planet is saved' to 'wow, really, you didn't measure that quite right did you'