1850 Watts free energy power ? New GEGENE circuit by JL Naudin shows COP = 2.8

[casstete]

Sorry, but I have to come down on the side of Farmhand here.

We live in the semiconductor age, unlike Tesla. These high speed, high current and Shotky diodes are amazing
and could rectify GHz signals and these things would convert them to DC. Diodes let you take advantage
of the law of conservation of energy. If the diodes don't get hot then they must not be loosing very much energy
to losses inside the diodes.

Sorry again but the energy form we seek for practical applications is the kind that flows through diodes in this way.
*For all the rest* it's up to you the device designer to figure out how convert what passes for energy in your book
to you usable electrical power. This is because these other forms of energy depend on what is in your belief book.

Every sort of real energy with pulse etcetera waveform will be accepted ready to be integrated into a high value capacitor.
The low voltage DC and higher DC current enables accurate measurement with inexpensive DVM equipment that can literally
elude computational approaches with high frequency varying waveform equipment. If you have it, do yourself a favor
and measure it this way. It's definitely the Kiss 'keep it simple stupid' approach to power measurement. This is
what some of us are only willing to accept as overunity power or energy proof.

:S:MarkSCoffman

" any sort of real energy " is the problem you have . It's all real and your body runs on over 95% on it ... 5% is the food .

So what you think is usable ?

This is all very nice but the reason why this energy is not usuable has NOTHING to do with it's potential .

The reason is that electronics are designed for the WASTE energy , thats why Tom Bearden writes about Precursor engineering for people to understand .

I have used Lakhovsky Multiwave Oscillator and Papimi devices . SO yes it's about converting it for crappy man made technology vs perfect nature ... plants ,animals & humans

Additionally this energy is used by ALL LOFE FORMS . And it can be stored in Batteries and used by plants and humans for cell regenration .

Also what is shown mechanically with Lenzless or 0 Lenz devices is exactly the same with electromagnetic devices .

It's VERY easy to see that the potential from neutralising 1 of 2 opposing north permanent magnet with electricity for a moment and then releasing it creates a 4-6 fold amount of mechanical energy (gap-power.com ) .

Torque , power everything is there , Howard Johnsons deflecting f Lenz is similar . So there you see it very obviously .

Now I may not be on par technicay with you guys , but I think I make valid points

[e2matrix]

" any sort of real energy " is the problem you have . It's all real and your body runs on over 95% on it ... 5% is the food .

So what you think is usable ?

This is all very nice but the reason why this energy is not usuable has NOTHING to do with it's potential .

The reason is that electronics are designed for the WASTE energy , thats why Tom Bearden writes about Precursor engineering for people to understand .

I have used Lakhovsky Multiwave Oscillator and Papimi devices . SO yes it's about converting it for crappy man made technology vs perfect nature ... plants ,animals & humans

Additionally this energy is used by ALL LOFE FORMS . And it can be stored in Batteries and used by plants and humans for cell regenration .

Also what is shown mechanically with Lenzless or 0 Lenz devices is exactly the same with electromagnetic devices .

It's VERY easy to see that the potential from neutralising 1 of 2 opposing north permanent magnet with electricity for a moment and then releasing it creates a 4-6 fold amount of mechanical energy (gap-power.com ) .

Torque , power everything is there , Howard Johnsons deflecting f Lenz is similar . So there you see it very obviously .

Now I may not be on par technicay with you guys , but I think I make valid points

I like your thinking.   It is the unseen and yet to be well understood energy that will eventually power our world.   Those who think they know everything have yet to even explain gravity.    Bits of information have been hidden and removed from mainstream physics to keep us enslaved to fossil fuel. 

[casstete]

I like your thinking.   It is the unseen and yet to be well understood energy that will eventually power our world.   Those who think they know everything have yet to even explain gravity.    Bits of information have been hidden and removed from mainstream physics to keep us enslaved to fossil fuel.

Thanks and you make  very interresting point , I wonder if you ever watched Prof.Bass  "Rediscovery of Lost Secret of Moray Radiant Energy .
Systtem "

He claims that it is all Schumann resonance that powered Morays's 20 KW device . Funny thing is that Nobel Prize holder Montagnier shown in his DNA Teleportation ( f#@$ incredible ) that indeed life is brought back by 7.83 HZ .... wherever it once existed ( the water retains the DNA  information & starts recreating from beginning the original DNA )

So the experiment goes like this , 2 glasses of water with DNA , filter it out completely from one of the 2 glasses . Play 7.83HZ and after 16 hours DNA is starting to be recreated ( proteins ... and so on )

We also know that humans , plants or animals when deprived of 7.83 HZ in bunkers they built in germany for that purpose .... people get Ill , tiered , worn out & very sick after a week +- . Depressed , anxious , aggressive ... Naturally because you are removing the LIFE frequency . 

Gravity is only one ingredient , Nature works in Symbiosis as does for instance Biotransmutation or cold fusion ( Alchemy) .

We dealing with many wave forms , Magnetic , Schumann , gravity,light ,sound  ... "time" all these waves interact (resonate with something)and release energy.

I lack the electrical engineering .. so I had to approach it looking at nature like Schauberger & Grebennikov .

If I had HALF the knowledge of electrical engineering people have in these forums I would have built them by now favoring Magnetic as a Magnet is a "generator" by default where then you just need to extract it ( this is what correctly was pointed out by the previous comment )

Look i just ordered the Solartracker V 5 new system by Bedini NOT USING RADIANT as per Lindemann ... I am not happy about it because Bedini spent 20 years telling us about radiant energy and now he flipped on it ? We will wait see what he says .

Radiant was NOT the power ... the power came from what happened in the Battery when it was charged with radiant ( not JUST Pulse charging) ... you can see it in a video i posted (shit spelling ... "Raidiant /Etheric /Orgone - John Benini.)

His wheel spins faster at full moon .. !

Then we now have Keshe from Iran who released 4 GB .. all his files for his device cause they were pressuring him

You have the QEG that now plans have been released

You have Tom Bearden who wrote me that they had been payed some 200 000 000 Mil. for the MEG and that it was held back by UN .... they are not given access to the money !  BUT Jean Louis Naudin built it SUCCESSFULLY .

So most people here should be able to build it ... .

SO MANY DISINFORMATION agents out there ... and if one speaks about how a device DOESN'T work without being able to disprove it .

They are MORE useless than inventors with fake devices !

Thanks 4 sharing and sorry for extensive post 

[Farmhand]

Yes the disinformation agents are not the ones who say " there is insufficient evidence to prove the over unity claim" they are the ones who make outlandish claims with little to no supporting evidence and declare it as fact while also declaring anyone that even questions the evidence as a paid disinfo agent from the Oil companies or some similarly silly thing.

Just to pick one such situation is the Bedini "radiant" energy rubbish, his energizers/pulse motors simply charge and discharge coils, the effect of which can spin a wheel and charge a battery or capacitor, they have nothing to do with radiant energy except that they produce radiating losses, there is no evidence that I have seen to date that indicates a bedini energizer captures any radiant energy from anywhere. Nothing that bedini's energizers do cannot be done with other arrangements. What he calls "radiant energy" other people call the energy discharged from a coil.

His solar circuit (the two phase pulsing circuit, the patented one) actually open circuits the solar panels for 50% of the time, effectively limiting them to half duty. I urge you to build the device in the patent and see it for your self. I think this has been addressed, but it must be said that the circuit itself is nothing extra ordinary, it simply uses the solar energy to pulse the battery with a higher voltage from a capacitor. Anyone skilled in the art can build a solar capacitor pulser to do very same things. He didn't invent solar tracking so that aspect doesn't even come into it.

Most of all the claims are hearsay or simply unproved, anyone can claim anything without proving it, but those are empty claims.

The word "Radiant" has long been used as a "Buzzword" for advertising and marketing. That's a fact.

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[MileHigh]

Farmhand,

I give you a lot of credit.  I would say that when you look at beginning experimenters on the free energy forums that are new to electronics, you have advanced further in your knowledge than perhaps 98% of the rest of the pack.  Some of them never advance beyond a certain point.

I haven't looked at JL Naudin's work in a few years now, but I did a handful of times before that.  From what I saw at that time,  I honestly was not very impressed.  Lots of equipment and semi-professional presentation skills does not make the experimenter.  It's his knowledge and analytical skills that count.

For the whole AC vs. DC debate, it's not as simple as converting AC into DC.  There is no reason you can't work with AC although the measurements become more challenging.  Also, converting AC into DC is a challenge in itself.  If you use a simple diode or FWBR and capacitor, then the current waveform becomes a pulse waveform.  Before the pulse starts conducting, there are parts of the AC waveform that could be contributing to the power output but aren't.  There are a lot of variables and if you have a design goal, then you can figure out the best way to approach it.  I don't know if there is a magic bullet for this because I am not a hard-core electronics design guy.  Just saying "use DC" is not necessarily correct.

Casstete,

You freely admit you are a layperson, yet you are still drawing conclusions that clearly require sufficient knowledge and experience that you don't have to draw those very same conclusions.  What gives?  I wish I could understand why in the realm of free energy and electronics people believe they know what they are talking about when they clearly don't.

With respect to your newbie status, I can tell you that you have bought into the narrative associated with free energy and have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.  You have to use your critical thinking skills and start questioning what you are reading and doing your own research to check for yourself.  It's almost shocking reading your last few postings.  It's like you were just a "normal person" and you started reading this stuff and just gobbled it up and took it all to be literally true.  That's a really dangerous thing.  The most resent example is the QEG.  I read some postings by a woman on Facebook.  She left her family, I believe including young children, to go to Morocco to help out by cooking and doing whatever else she can, but she is not technical.  She left her FAMILY to run off to Morocco.  As I state in another posting, in x number of weeks she will be coming back home empty-handed having accomplished nothing.  It's sad actually.

You know the famous radio broadcast of The War of the Worlds in 1938?  People were in a panic and started to flee.  That's the kind of thing that's happening to you right now, same for the mother who left her kids to go to Morocco, and same for many people on the QEG bandwagon.

If it sounds too good to be true, then use Google and do at least an hour or more of research.  Don't be afraid to do a "negative" search also, like "<subject> fraud" or "<subject> hoax."

MileHigh