Tesla Patent # 577670

[Goat]

Hi all;

I asked this question back on this thread; http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg204948/#msg204948

Can anyone replicate Tesla's Patent # 5777670 in solid state?  If so please post any schematics which you think would do the same as the same analog circuit keeping all actions in the circuit as described by Tesla at:

http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-577,670-producing-high-frequency-currents

Thank you all for any input.

PS:  @Shylo, thanks for bringing this subject up in thread http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg350374/#msg350374 . I agree with you that at one point in the rotation that there is a shorting incident as mentioned in the following paragraph:

"The operation of the apparatus thus described is as follows: By the rotation of the commutator C the brush H is caused to pass over the projections d, closing the circuits through the primary K and the two condensers alternately. These two circuits are so adjusted as to have the same capacity, self-induction, and resistance. When said brush is in electrical connection with any projection d' from the part c' the circuit is closed between mains A and B through coil O', brush G', brush H, and coil K. Energy is therefore accumulated in the coil O'. At the same time the condenser N' is short-circuited through the brush G', brush H, and coil K, and discharges through this circuit the energy stored in it, the discharge being in the form of a series of impulses which induce in the secondary L corresponding impulses of high potential. When brush H breaks the circuit through coil O', the high-potential discharge or "kick" from the latter rushes into and recharges the condenser N', but as soon as the brush H has passed over the intervening block e and reached the next segment d it closes the circuit through coil O and short-circuits the condenser N, so that high-frequency currents from either one or the other of the two condensers are flowing through the primary K practically without interruption. Thus without increasing the size or power of the motive device or complicating in any material degree the commutator these devices are made to perform double duty and the output of the apparatus as a whole greatly increased. In Fig. 3 I have illustrated a modified form of commutator for this apparatus, which comprises a disk E, of metal, but insulated from its shaft. The periphery of this disk is divided into conducting and insulated segments by the insertion therein of insulated metal blocks f. The circumferential width of these blocks is three times that of the conducting segments f'. A brush F bears upon a continuous metallic portion of the disk or upon a continuous ring in electrical connection with the segments f' and is connected with one terminal of the primary K. Brushes F' F'' bear upon the periphery of the disk E and are connected to the main B through the two condensers, respectively. These brushes are capable of angular adjustment, so that they may be set to bear upon the disk at any two desired points."

Question is, can this be duplicated in solid state to have the same effect described as:

"Thus without increasing the size or power of the motive device or complicating in any material degree the commutator these devices are made to perform double duty and the output of the apparatus as a whole greatly increased."

Maybe it's already been done in which case please forgive my ignorance or it might not lead to OU but might lead to better COP.

PS: Forgot to post the picture of the device:


Thanks,
Paul

[Magluvin]

Hey Paul

Looking over it, and not feeling well today(flu), it looks like the Igniter for gas engines pat, but without any pause for charging the caps.

The igniter discharges the cap into a primary, while causing current to flow in the large inductor. When the switch releases, the inductor recharges the cap.

But here, we have 2 caps, 2 large inductors. While 1 cap is discharged into the primary, the other cap is being recharged..

Its like a push/pull switching power supply, but it is a push/push.  I suppose the timing is set so that when 1 cap is fully discharged, then it switches to the other cap.

I dont believe there is any shorting of the caps to each other. Just the discharging of the caps into the primary is what he is considering shorting.  Shorting the 2 caps would not make any sense really

Ill look it over a bit more later.  Need to lay down for a bit.


Mags

[elementSix]

You need to read all of the Tesla patents that pertain to Apparatus for producing Electric Currents of High Frequency.  The Don Smith Coil setup and the Kapanadze device are both Updated Versions of one or more of those patents..  The Patent 568,178 has some very good information on what he does to achieve Resonance in both circuits.  Figure 2 on this Patent page of TESLA is a perfect example of Don Smiths adjustable Coil arrangement

http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-568,178-regulating-high-frequency-currents

The only major difference in the old Tesla Designs and the newer versions of them are the use of Circuit Timed Pulse modes that replace Teslas motor used to Turn the pulses on and off with a contact type pulley on the shaft of the DC Motor..

Tesla also says that placement of the Primary coil , the condenser and circuit ect..  Makes a difference in having a device that works..

So in the patent statement of the contacts of the Brushes around the metal disc, seems to say that two contacts are made at the same time.  So would that mean that it pulses both the negative and the positive at the same time??

[shylo]

Hi All,
Paul ,I've read and re-read Teslas' but not sure I understand what he is saying??
My connections are different than his , I tried connecting the coils straight to caps ,but it didn't work.
You have to run the short through a coil that is stacked between 2 coils of ~ the same size
The heavier the wire guage ,the better.
The  center coil and the outer coils are not connected.
It's a form of induction I think, but it will charge caps for free.
shylo

[crazycut06]

Hey Paul

Looking over it, and not feeling well today(flu), it looks like the Igniter for gas engines pat, but without any pause for charging the caps.

The igniter discharges the cap into a primary, while causing current to flow in the large inductor. When the switch releases, the inductor recharges the cap.

But here, we have 2 caps, 2 large inductors. While 1 cap is discharged into the primary, the other cap is being recharged..

Its like a push/pull switching power supply, but it is a push/push.  I suppose the timing is set so that when 1 cap is fully discharged, then it switches to the other cap.

I dont believe there is any shorting of the caps to each other. Just the discharging of the caps into the primary is what he is considering shorting.  Shorting the 2 caps would not make any sense really

Ill look it over a bit more later.  Need to lay down for a bit.


Mags

Hi Mags,
Get well soon,

"When brush H breaks the circuit through coil O', the high-potential discharge or "kick" from the latter rushes into and recharges the condenser N', but as soon as the brush H has passed over the intervening block e and reached the next segment d it closes the circuit through coil O and short-circuits the condenser N, so that high-frequency currents from either one or the other of the two condensers are flowing through the primary K practically without interruption."


Its not litterally short circuiting the caps or condenser to themselves, but discharging to coil K, again the process is repeated, is this a self charging, self running system?  
I this what Tito is saying? Just the arrangement of the parts? Caps, coil, diodes, batt?