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[circle]

less than 12 to 15 moving parts per set of two weights
depending on how one builds the needed subcomponent 'triger' to retract the wood dowel at the 12:00 position
it releases the device to a diversion in the path of least resistance
what would you do with the solution..?
convience me to do that which you would do and consider it done
this is where you stand as you read this

[circle]

..whatever idea you are contemplating as functional,
take and divide the device into two conceptual sides
ascending
and
descending

if you can get past the idea of holding to one favored method you may use simple analysis to see that which will not work
dismissing pursuit of those that are doomed to fail will free up your time to determine the correct method

methodologically proceding to catalogue types and forms will help you narrow down the search
once you see enough of the types that can not work in a collected group you should begin to see their common trait
once it dawns on you that you must find something lacking that feature you will be on the rather short path to solution

[circle]

there is a single mention in this website of knot theory 

take a look 

consider the caliber of the poster who presented this information 

http://www.overunity.com/9638/gyroscopic-particles-how-they-work/msg296791/#msg296791 

consider also..

that books about steam engines are also equally scarce in your local library.. and yet the electricity that we rely on is produced by them

even if not suppressed there are certainly subjects that seem to be discouraged from proliferation
 
without a working knowledge of knot theory you are ill equipped to approach this problem 

i do not wish to be put in the pretentious spot of lording over you with vastly superior knowledge neither do i seek to offend by knowing that which you do not 

persons other than myself had written textbooks on the matter long before i knew such existed
 
if you were fortunate enough to have found this information you might easily have beat me to the re-discovery of besslers method 

honestly you are not able to appreciate how infantile your efforts at insight are in the absence of this single critical element of knowledge 

between besslers clues and my own i would suggest that this assignment might not be beyond a 5th grader who had been thoroughly (exhaustively) exposed to the precepts of knot theory

[vince]

@ Circle (aka "x" in another form)


I read your posts with great interest and anticipation.  I'm not quite sure of your ultimate goal .  You have stated that you know the solution to the age old perpetual motion quest and Bessler's design in particular. I believe you are very intelligent and may very well have discovered the design, however in other posts you have stated that you have not actually built a working prototype but may wish to have someone build it and allow you to share in any profits aswell be able to claim discovery title.  It always comes to this, just like Bessler no one wants their design to be stolen or copied because they feel that money and status will be the ultimate reward. Unfortunately in today's world an idea will quickly become common knowledge and may be copied or stolen very easily.  Profiting from something like this would be very difficult unless one could perfect a design that actually produces usable power, mass produces it, and puts it out for sale before copiers make their own version.  Selling your intellectual property to someone that is willing to pay for it  would give you your financial  reward but puts the buyer in the same predictament.


Many in this forum have the means and the ability to build your device .  I have been playing around with designs for years but reading your posts sparked my interest again.  I came up with some basic design criteria that are both obvious and unique. Allow me to share my thoughts, and on a latter post I will show pictures of 2 one arm prototypes that I built.
Any gravity wheel must have certain elements to make it function.
First a weight must be moved to a outermost radius in it's structure at approximately the 12 o'clock position.
It must maintain that position throughout its falling arc to approximately the 6 o'clock position., at which point it must be retracted to an innermost radius and held until it again reaches the 12 o'clock position.
To move that weight, one must employ a slave weight that must be heavier than the torque generating weight and also overcome any springs tension that may be used to maintain positioning.
The movement and path of the slave weight must not interfere with the balance of the rotating structure unless it benefits the gravity actions of the torque generating weight.
Latching may be necessary to hold the torque generating weight in either the inner or outer radius positions. The use of latching would require a fixed outer trigger position or a non rotating axle with a fixed  internal trigger to release the the latch mechanism.  (My 2prototypes do not use a latch)
Rotation speed is paramount.  A governor may be employed or some method of controlling rpm is essential because as speed increases centrifugal forces come to play and cause both slave weights and torque generating weights to assume set positions and become locked at those points.


There you have it, my simple thoughts on a gravity wheel design and by all accounts  both my designs work. My wheel segments push weights out at 12 o'clock and retract them at 6 o'clock. My slave weights move in a constant radius and do not affect balance. The Torque generating Weights maintain position throughout the   arcs and  do not need latching.  One would think I discovered the secret!!  BUUUUT!
I will wait till my next post to show you the BUUUT.


Seems I am not that smart after all!  Guess I will have to go back to 5th grade and learn Knot theory.(LOL)


In all fairness Circle , you are right. We cannot set our thoughts on simple traditional designs and not let our minds explore different ideas. 
I watched the video you posted on the X site about knot theory , and read several sites about the subject but to tell you the truth I cannot correlate the subject matter to the bessler wheel.  Your last post here shows a cross sectional view of a wheel ( not sure who's design) where the last activating mechanism has a
Conical drum and an endless rope arrangement that moves 2 outer drums or weights. Is this where knot theory comes to play in a looped drive?


Sorry for the long post ,  but the possibility of gravity wheels has always been a fascinating subject.


Vince

[conradelektro]

To claim one has a "solution" before one has proven it with a self running Bessler wheel is strange.

It is even stranger to think about "money making and fame" before one has proven the "solution" with a self running wheel.

Do the difficult (building a working wheel) first and solve all the other "problems" later. Most likely there will be no "problems".

Greetings, Conrad