Free Solid State/mechanical energy

[satyoda]

If an Electro current starts to flow and we assume that the positive charge comes from one of the pole A of the battery
and the negative discharge from the other pole B.
Then the then the negative discharge of pole B would repel negative discharge and the positive charge.
The positive charge will go to pole A because it is positive charge.
the negative discharge repels and expels.

so here we have a bigger negative discharge than a positive charge because repelling and expelling some how magnifying the negative discharge
if we are switching the current as a tested it I can see on a Scoop meter a negative spike from 800 volt and a positive of 300 volt at 50 Hz
going up to 400 HZ negative and positive become equal 300 volt AC if I increase the frequency pos and negative cycle stay the same but they are dropping in voltage
the power supply was a 12 volt battery 1.2 ah  an the setup like Wattsup with a 8.2 NF 2000Volt and 4 transformers 220 / 8 volt
switching with a function generator and a BU808 from a television set. (square wave)

I know this test is off topic but seeing what is happening on the scoop meter could help us understand what is happening.

Regards,

Satyoda

[orosado]

Hello,

For the life of me I cannot understand why many of you believe that you need to experiment in order to verify what Tesla was doing.  Do you think for a second that you can top or replicate his experiments he conducted in Colorado?    I find this funny, because many of you think that you can!  If you really want to experiment, you need to begin where he left off in Colorado, or your experiments are in vain!  He did all the experimenting for us!  Many of you experiment and in so doing cheat, as you don't even limit yourselves to what Tesla had to work with!  You go straight the integrated circuits, and miss the whole object, as you are distracted by the thoughts of which components you should use, and the measurements on your testing and analyzing equipment!  If just one of you read the patents,  just sat reading them, and imagined that Tesla himself was reading them to you, you then may understand where I am coming from.  The majority of you reading these patents want a machine that produces your idea of free energy.  Your idea of free energy has no foundation on which to be built!  Tesla's does!  He is still trying to teach us the truth though his patents! 

Is anyone listening?

Hello Erfinder,

I will make a list of components from the four Tesla patents you mentioned. Maybe this way it would be easier for us to limit ourselves to what Tesla had to work with.

Would it also be recommended that we get a copy of Tesla's Colorado Springs notes?

Regards,
Omar

[Grumpy]

There is a global block to understanding that we are all subject to currently.  This block varies between individuals.  Interestingly, each individual is able to function well and survive, but taken as a whole, understanding of true fundamentals and advancement as a whole is blocked very effectively.

My suggestion is that this device be built together - like ants.  Divide it up and each build a portion and Erfinder will assemble explaining as he goes and sending images and such.  I say that he builds it because he is the only one that knows how.  If someone just doesn't "get it" then they can still use their hands to build a portion.  A machinest may not be able to wire a machine but he can sure make shafts and rotors.  Once complete, you will have circumvented the block.

Throwing theories back and forth and endless discussion can not compare to building something together.  With the aid of a guide (Erfinder) you can build something that you do not understand and gain an understanding of it as you go.  

So, cut that crap and get started.  

[midnight_blue]

I for one am listening. I hope all others do the same, guys Tesla discovered this phenomenon by accident, and was luckily not to have been killed in the process. He realized safety concerns and his subsequent patents were primarily to make the phenomena more effective and safer. Four improvements were 1.) Air Gap, 2.) Adjustable primary 3.) Adjustable condensor in primary and 4.) Adjustable capacitance and induction. Well I was going to ramble on more but will leave it for the time being.


Regards
Mark

[Maximumgravity1]

My suggestion is that this device be built together - like ants.  Divide it up and each build a portion...

Why am I reminded of MIR and Skylab with this suggestion??  I understand your thoughts Grumpy, and I can't say they are wrong, but I think the point isn't about building - it is about understanding.  Even Erfinder himself stated this was just a "concept" machine - to teach fundamental principals.  If we collectively get a working assembly, and half the builders don't understand what is going on, isn't that worse then if everyone just copied a working schematic, got a functioning device, and still had no clue of what they built??  How are we gaining any ground if people build what they don't understand, then see their part in a working device that they still don't understand?  If they built the entire thing, wouldn't that be better to observe then a piece of the device that they still don't understand?

It may come across as useless theories and endless discussion, but I agree with Erfinder's premise - how can you build what you do not understand?  More importantly, how can you build other, bigger, better devices on these principles, if you don't understand why your device works?  Building a copy of the device is not hard.  He has given enough info to get a complete working model up and running.  He gave magnet diameter, capacitor size, secondary length, and we know equal weight of the primaries....what is left to discover from the recipe list?  How is knowing what is in the chocolate cake going to help you make steak tartar?  If you don't know why you put the cake in the oven, how are you ever going to introduce the concept of flamb??

I don't see it this way, I think the key is to understand first, then progress.  Many may find it is not worth building this machine once they see why it does what it does - it may prove to be exactly what Erfinder says - just a concept teaching device.....

However, I think there is some merit in each person discussing and explaining the parts they do understand (from Tesla's perspective), until we all arrive at a better understanding of how the device as a whole (as well as others not yet put on paper) works.