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Simple Lenzless Generator

Started by Neo-X, March 06, 2013, 04:54:24 AM

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March 08, 2013, 04:18:00 AM
Bruce_tpu what would you think about this one? Suppose i have spiral conductor and neomagnet attached to one side and insulated to each other but electrically connected from the shaft. The brush in the spiral conductor is linked to the brush of the neomagnet.  Then suppose we rotate it, the induced voltage in spiral conductor is much higher than the induced voltage in the neomagnet and causing the current to flow from spiral conductor, then to the shaft, then to the neomagnet, then to the brush and then back again to the spiral conductor.  According to faraday law and tesla, the spiral conductor doesnt produce lenz effect if both neomagnet and spiral conductor attached to each other or simultanously rotating. Neglecting the eddy current, the setup will not produce lenz effect but the current is flowing in the neomagnet making the neomagnet act as a motor producing a torque that aid the applied torque. So the rotation will increase as more current flow to the neomagnet and accelerating it untill the resistane stop it from accelerating.. See the idea A.. In idea B it was the same operation on idea A but this time it was using solid disc conductor and the brush from neomagnet was moved to the center radius of neomaget.

I forgot in idea A the brush doesnt need since both spiral disc and neomagnet are attached to each other and rotating at the same speed so we can connect both of them directly at the rim.

b_rads

#6
March 08, 2013, 12:32:57 PM
@All:
This is something that might be of interest, the links below contain some information about the drag on the Faraday Disk and a possible solution of minimizing that drag.
http://callowayengines.com/msg50.htm
http://callowayengines.com/msg51.htm
On the second link, the author suggests making a capacitor on the outer rim of the coil/copper for harvesting the energy produced.
:)

Bruce_TPU

#7
March 08, 2013, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: Neo-X on March 08, 2013, 04:18:00 AM
Bruce_tpu what would you think about this one? Suppose i have spiral conductor and neomagnet attached to one side and insulated to each other but electrically connected from the shaft. The brush in the spiral conductor is linked to the brush of the neomagnet.  Then suppose we rotate it, the induced voltage in spiral conductor is much higher than the induced voltage in the neomagnet and causing the current to flow from spiral conductor, then to the shaft, then to the neomagnet, then to the brush and then back again to the spiral conductor.  According to faraday law and tesla, the spiral conductor doesnt produce lenz effect if both neomagnet and spiral conductor attached to each other or simultanously rotating. Neglecting the eddy current, the setup will not produce lenz effect but the current is flowing in the neomagnet making the neomagnet act as a motor producing a torque that aid the applied torque. So the rotation will increase as more current flow to the neomagnet and accelerating it untill the resistane stop it from accelerating.. See the idea A.. In idea B it was the same operation on idea A but this time it was using solid disc conductor and the brush from neomagnet was moved to the center radius of neomaget.

I forgot in idea A the brush doesnt need since both spiral disc and neomagnet are attached to each other and rotating at the same speed so we can connect both of them directly at the rim.

I like your thinking.  I am just not hooked on the spiral disc part, but rather I am hooked on the spiral tesla pancake coil.  With the disc you will produce a huge amount of amperage, but next to no voltage.  My idea of of using LITZ in a tesla pancake coil, would multiply the magnetic movement of electrons, increase the voltage, and possibly more, IMHO.  I had built all of the pancake coils some time ago, but before I understood the benefits of using litz in this situation, so I abandoned those built of very thick wire.
I encourage  you to build your idea and see.  That is the only real way of knowing. 

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

phoneboy

#8
March 08, 2013, 08:34:57 PM
@ Neo-X, you should take a look at what the borderlands group did a while back.  They alternated the fields of the magnets on each side of the disc and were able to get an ac output.  With that you could get away without using brushes @ all.

Neo-X

#9
March 10, 2013, 03:04:27 PM
@phoneboy

How it could draw the current from the solid copper disc without brushes?
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