PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles

[Newton II]

A person walking on ground will be in contact with ground and a car moving on road will be in contact with road.  If ground is full of clay or loose soil the person cannot walk on it  and if road is full of sand car cannot move on it.   It means ground is providing a supporting force to preson or car in the form of  equal and opposite reaction.

In the case of a generator the situation is different.  The rotor and stator  are separated by a gap.  Rotor is supported on bearings  and stator is supported on a base frame on ground.  In this case the lenz's field need not work as a supporting force but it will only try to prevent any change in its magnetic field.  In that process it provides a opposing force to rotor which in turn conserves energy.

You cannot add forces numerically beacuse force is a vector and resultant force only counts.   So even if  generator accelerates under load,  the final or resultant force hence resultant energy only counts. 

Hence accelerating generator can be considered as a OU device only if it is made self running.  ( because we don't know exactly what action and reactions are happenning inside the device).

If anybody has self running AUL device, then there is no need for this discussion at all.  We can simply see the machine / video and try to patch up things.

[Gestalt]

Hey guys. I recently managed to replicate the "regenerative acceleration" effect quite nicely.

However when I compare my power in, to a regular coil the seeming benefit of the regen effect becomes inconsequential.

I believe there is a serious flaw in Thane's methodology in how he comes to his conclusion. This goes also for anyone else who has replicated the effect.
What you use as your base line Pin is extremely important in determining if there is a net benefit or not. An open high impedance bifilar coil artificially inflates the original Pin and causes a starting RPM to be excessively low. This is not good from a net power perspective. Especially when compared to a similar "non-regen" coil all the benefits disappear.

Please see my video for experimental results:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ

My theory as to what is occurring is as follows. The high voltage  (~1.2kV) on the open bifilar config causes an electro-static current to flow between the windings causing a substantial open circuit back-EMF. Then when shorting the coil and the high voltage goes to zero and the artificially induced electrostatic back-emf goes away. As load is added regular back-EMF from actual current in the windings occurs demonstrated by the increasing Pin.

This is validated by the voltage/electro-static potential on the open bifilar being high enough to cause substantial amounts of ozone to be produced through an air ionization process.

[Ein~+ein]

Hey guys. I recently managed to replicate the "regenerative acceleration" effect quite nicely.  However when I compare my power in, to a regular coil the seeming benefit of the regen effect becomes inconsequential.

The only Proof of Concept that matters is a road test.  The fact Heins promotes RegenX as an EV solution but still hasn't developed a scooter prototype after all these years should tell you something.

[Farmhand]

Hey guys. I recently managed to replicate the "regenerative acceleration" effect quite nicely.

However when I compare my power in, to a regular coil the seeming benefit of the regen effect becomes inconsequential.

I believe there is a serious flaw in Thane's methodology in how he comes to his conclusion. This goes also for anyone else who has replicated the effect.
What you use as your base line Pin is extremely important in determining if there is a net benefit or not. An open high impedance bifilar coil artificially inflates the original Pin and causes a starting RPM to be excessively low. This is not good from a net power perspective. Especially when compared to a similar "non-regen" coil all the benefits disappear.

Please see my video for experimental results:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ

My theory as to what is occurring is as follows. The high voltage  (~1.2kV) on the open bifilar config causes an electro-static current to flow between the windings causing a substantial open circuit back-EMF. Then when shorting the coil and the high voltage goes to zero and the artificially induced electrostatic back-emf goes away. As load is added regular back-EMF from actual current in the windings occurs demonstrated by the increasing Pin.

This is validated by the voltage/electro-static potential on the open bifilar being high enough to cause substantial amounts of ozone to be produced through an air ionization process.

It's been said many times by many people there is nothing free in acceleration under load.

And Counter EMF is not a resistance it does not consume power or give off heat, it is a voltage that offsets the applied voltage to make the effective voltage less and therefore cause less current. If anything Counter EMF helps to conserve power, without it the only thing to restrict current is the DC resistance. Counter EMF is a blessing, it's a given, it cannot be negated with the same results as with.

Thanes setup is about increasing the counter EMF so much that when a load is added hardly any current can flow to charge the coils, therefore the voltage waveform at the gen coils goes flat. very little voltage means very little current and very little counter EMF. He has lots of Counter EMF and load on the prime mover at lower speeds and with no load at higher speeds because the voltage produced is high and causes current to flow to charge the coils, then when he adds the load the voltage waveform goes to almost flat and the counter EMF is reduced which causes less load on the prime mover and the RPM increase as a result of that.

Thane is either a scammer or he is a paid distractor or deluded  in order of likelyhood according to me., there are no other possibilities I can think of. I can say what I want without fear of prosecution because he lies.

I understand why it happens and I can make different kinds of setups to show acceleration under load to prove my point and with scoped wave forms shown, which Thane will never do because it would give his game away.

AUL Example one. Universal motor Prime mover and driven generator. This setup could go into continuing acceleration after the load was removed past a certain RPM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFWin-crxQY

AUL Example two. My design pulse motor with added low resistance low inductance generator coil. Acceleration under short circuit is significant but useless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKZw15A41Y

Now see the scope trace produced by this powerful small generator which is a small outrunner model plane engine, even with a one ohm load the waveform is unchanged when loaded because it produces an output, if I shorted one of the three windings in the little motor it would almost stop turning and throw the belt because it has low impedance and can generate significant power under a near short circuit. Thanes setups will never output significant power due to the impedance of the generator coils, it cannot happen, it the generator coils could output reasonable power the generator would load up the prime mover. The Lenz drag is the result of the actual transfer of energy.

Proper generator behavior. Yellow is the generator wave form blue is the pulse motor mosfet switch drain-circuit ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLiNk6yBWyY

Thanes setups are very inefficient and that shows by the high input with no load on the generator, he makes the no load input very high with lots of "parasitic load" on the prime mover then when the generator is shorted or loaded the parasitic load is reduced and the rpm increase. I think he is intentionally scamming people for investment and will never produce anything of "Worth", only parlor tricks from him.

I challenge him to do an acceleration under load run and show us the dang waveform across the load. That will show the story and his game would be up so don't expect it. In my opinion he ought to be investigated for fraud. And probably will be if he rorts an investor for too much money, my bet is no one is silly enough to invest anyway.

Cheers




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[tim123]

FYI, We've been exploring another Acceleration Under Load phenomenon here:
http://www.overunity.com/13777/tinmans-rotary-transformer/

I'm pretty sure it's not the same mechanism at work. In the RT the Lenz force is genuinely acting in the right direction - but you have to pay for it in the rotor instead...

Very impressed with Gestalt's debunking vid. Really clear. Excellent.

I'm glad Mr Heins has stopped shouting...


Tim