Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".

[synchro1]

"The test is not about to make permanent magnets from nails".

Where does it say this? Who made this rule?

[gyulasun]

"The test is not about to make permanent magnets from nails".

Where does it say this? Who made this rule?

It is not rule of course.   I am 'amazed' by your question I feel when I read Winnie-the-Pooh.  Who told you to make a permanent magnet from the nail? 

IT was YOU who referred to this link http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/bifilar_electromagnet.htm and please show where David Thomson wrote you have to make a permanent magnet from the nail to lift up the paper clips? 

What is the point in making a permanent magnet from an electromagnet in this test? To lift up objects an electromagnet needs a DC current and the aim is to check any difference between a single wire and the bifilar wire coil provided the two cores have similar (ideally identical) ferromagnetic properties.  The same amount of DC current should be used for both coils while lifting up the objects.

Of course you can make a permanent magnet from a suitable ferromagnetic core and you do this by inserting this core into a coil and switch a big enough current into the coil.  But David Thomson did not write to do the test like making a permanent magnet first and then lift the paper clips with the nails.

Please repeat your test with new nails that are not magnetized yet, please cut up the paper clips into small pieces and do some several runs like I did here: http://www.overunity.com/11350/confirming-the-delayed-lenz-effect/msg357952/#msg357952

Gyula

[synchro1]

@Gyulasum,

                    Tesla's Serial Bifilar Pancake coil for electromagnets, is a "Capacative Discharge Magnetizer Coil". That's the end of the story. Just accept it! It won't help for me to cut paper clips up, or measure d.c. current. Jonathan Livingston Seagull thought he was somthing else too.

                     I knew how Tesla's bifilar coil worked the entire time. It's the "Scrap Yard Magnet"! You guys imagine your group of superstitous Hotentots are valuable dehoaxing "Myth Busters"  right? You guys look really, really stupid to me. Wake up, and stop causing trouble. All you labyrinthine Cretans have done is insult and degrade Nicola Tesla, an unparalleled genius!. There's gotta be a hampster hidden someplace!

                    The nail test is just a "PARLOR TRICK" to demonstrate the SBC's real power! Try and get over it. He made a monkey out of you.

                    I'm not the person who tricked anyone. I scolded Milehigh for his outraegous assertions on the "Lenz Delay" thread about the no difference between the coil windings. I've been trying hard to explain and distinguish this coil application throughout the entire course of this thread. 

[MileHigh]

Synchro1:

Just accept it! It won't help for me to cut paper clips up, or measure d.c. current.

You have really dug yourself into a hole.  Why should anybody take you seriously?

You are very close to becoming the new "Innovation_Station," with a very low signal to noise ratio in your postings.  The performance is getting stale and the greasepaint is running.

Myself and Gyula genuinely tried to help you but it's pretty obvious that it's futile.

MileHigh

[synchro1]

@Milehigh,

                  You're petrified wood! Tesla's bifilar pancake coil for electromagnets is an:

                                                          "IMPULSE MAGNETIZER COIL"! 

                   D.C. current has no special effect on this coil unless it's powerfully pulsed. You guys don't really believe "Tesla Coil Builder" designed his electromagnet nail core test to fail, do you? His experiment is just a puzzle type teaching tool. The single wire coil won't play the same trick, and therein is the critical difference between the coil types.

Here's a Leedskalnin coil shorting video, similar effect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lspAxYGxWA

The Leedskalnin horseshoe output coil shares "Impulse Magnetization" power with the SBC. Lorentz force and quanta level power may help explain the extra propulsion..