Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".

[synchro1]

 http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/VOLTGN.pdf 

The tester also reports a voltage gain that exceeds theory by 929.3%!

[forest]

Oh boy...the extra energy it the key. Why this is so hard to grasp ? Are we fishes without water or with very small brains ? Surely not.  Sometimes I hate scientist for the amount of support in money and appreciation they get while working on topics so little important that a herd of monkeys could solve in short time....while the most important question is still not answered (really?) ?

WHY IS THE EARTH ROTATING ?

P.S. Do you know it was one of problem which caused totall collapse of Tesla mind and he felt into deep and long sleep and breakdown.....

[jbignes5]

In the patent where we says the coil has a greatly increased "capacity", he is referring to the energy it can store not the coils "self capacitance". So he isn't saying that the coils "capacitance" itself will be increased, he is saying that the capacity for the coil to hold energy  between the windings is increased because of how it's wound.

The 250 000 times as much energy is in reference to the increase in energy the capacitance holds because of the potential difference. It is an increase in the ability of a "coils" capacitance to hold energy. Not an increase in actual capacity.

I was tripped up by the different meanings of capacity. All the energy stored in the coil still is supplied by the supply that charges it.

However a bifilar wound coil does have a lower resonant frequency than the same amount of wire wound as a normal coil, so a bifilar coil does "also" have more inherent self capacitance. At least all the ones I have wound do as compared to the same wire length and core ect.  And the resonant frequency is lower, many people might say that a few pF capacitance is nothing but the effect it has on the resonant frequency is a lot.

I issue a challenge, can anybody wind a regular coil and a COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS, solenoid, spiral or other coil using the same wire length,size and core ect. and have them both end up at the same resonant frequency ?

I think not, I think the bifilar coil will have more self capacitance in almost every case, and the storing of the extra energy it can hold in the potential between the windings will take time.

Try it. See if it is possible to wind the same wire length as a COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS and get anything but a lower resonant frequency for the COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS.

It's an additional effect, be it wanted, intended or just coincidence. My test showed me a much lower resonant frequency, so the self capacitance was more. Regardless even if the self capacitance was the same it must take time for the extra energy stored in the bifilar coils self capacitance to be delivered. Mustn't it ? Capacitors don't charge to higher voltage instantly, it takes time.

Cheers

P.S. What I say is this. "Even if a Coil For Electromagnets had the same self capacitance as the control coil in my test in the second post, the COIL FOR ELECTROMAGNETS would still have a lower resonant frequency because the extra energy stored in the higher potential between the windings will take time to deliver". However I make that prediction based on Logic alone so I may be wrong. I won't believe anything but the test though so when someone has two "same wire" coils, one regular and wound as a coil for electro-magnets with the same self capacitance then it can be tested.

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How can you say one thing then say the exact opposite. Either it has more capacitance or it doesn't. Self capacitance means more capacitance. This is not negotiable. The increased capacitance is balancing the usual reactance of the traditional coil. This allows the bifilar coil to charge up instantly when compared to the traditional coil. A capacitance meter will not show the actual capacitance because of the self inductance of the coil and the resistance of the wire. You can not measure the capacitance of either coil because it is not a traditional capacitor which the meter is designed to measure. They can not measure the coils capacitance because of the additional features of the coils. This is why they come out the same because you are using a meter that is not designed to work with coils.


Now the charge and discharge of the bifilar coil is being enhanced by all of the factors in the bifilar coil design, especially when you compare it to a traditional coil. This was Tesla's understanding and he did this to reduce the cost and build into a coil enough capacitance to counter the slow charge and discharge of the regular coil to enable them to be used in his disruptive discharge circuits witch increased the conversion of the disruptive discharge into a magnetic component.


The reference to this is the Gegene generator from JLN labs. But the pancake has another feature most are overlooking and that is the ability to use both the upswing and down swing to convert into a one way flow via induction. This effectively doubles the power of the device when coupled with the traditional solenoid coil. Basically this forms an inductive diode and when coupled with a regular coil facilitates an increased output via this inductive diode.


I am also of the opinion that it increases the speed of a discharge hence the increased voltage component when the disruptive discharge is directly injected into the bifilar coil.


The capacity of the coil is vastly increased and hence the ability to discharge faster via this bifilar coil method. Since an inductive component is included it allows the capacitance part of the coil to be charged with little loss of the energy supplied to the capacitance.


One way to avoid the loss traditional capacitors see is to include an inductive coil before the capacitor. Well this is included in this design.


Just some ideas to kick around and a direction to better understand the bifilar method due to increased self capacity being discussed. Tesla was right in saying it the way he did. We just have to change our misconceptions to see it the correct way that Tesla was trying to teach us.

[gyulasun]

How can you say one thing then say the exact opposite. Either it has more capacitance or it doesn't. Self capacitance means more capacitance. This is not negotiable.
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Dear jbignes5,

Self capacitance cannot mean more capacitance, simply it can only mean capacitance and it is different for every coil so values can be higher OR lower wrt each other.   
Yes Farmhand first ponders on the amount of the bifilar coil capacitance but finally he deduced it must have higher self capacitance compared to the single wire coil because he mentioned its lower resonant frequency.  This latter is shown tested in the Nichelson paper I refered to above.

If you feel like commenting my question in Reply #69 above, please do so when you have some time.

Thanks,  Gyula

[Tito L. Oracion]

Oh boy...the extra energy it the key. Why this is so hard to grasp ? Are we fishes without water or with very small brains ? Surely not.  Sometimes I hate scientist for the amount of support in money and appreciation they get while working on topics so little important that a herd of monkeys could solve in short time....while the most important question is still not answered (really?) ?

WHY IS THE EARTH ROTATING ?

P.S. Do you know it was one of problem which caused totall collapse of Tesla mind and he felt into deep and long sleep and breakdown.....

Very simple to answer.


Earth rotate because God made it to, so that you, me and everyone can live temporarily.    


Tesla didn't read the Bible and i read it and that his big mistake 


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