Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".

[jbignes5]

Jbignes5:

You are pointing to an old thread where I already responded.

So you are trying deflection again.  I asked you the question and you are unable to answer it:

<<< You have an ideal inductor of three Henries.   You connect the inductor to an ideal voltage source of seven volts.  What will happen?  >>>

Think about this:  You made two long postings all about the Tesla "cap coil" a.k.a "series bifilar" coil extolling all the virtues for this device and making all sorts of outlandish and nonsensical claims about it and sounding very authoritative about it.

So I ask you to give us the solution for one of the simplest circuits possible that has only one component connected to the power supply, a coil.  And you can't answer the question.

It's your credibility that is null, dude.

MileHigh

I answered your question but like some people on this forum you are not so patient when looking at the forum. And as usual you have no clue as to my credentials. I told you the credentials and how long I have been in this field of electronics but you ignore such things. I have nothing to prove to you and to tell you the truth you can not stop me period or the concepts that Tesla and many others were or are working on.

In fact you are the one who hasn't answered one question that I posed. Hmmmm

[synchro1]

 I answered your question but like some people on this forum you are not so patient when looking at the forum. And as usual you have no clue as to my credentials. I told you the credentials and how long I have been in this field of electronics but you ignore such things. I have nothing to prove to you and to tell you the truth you can not stop me period or the concepts that Tesla and many others were or are working on.

This Milehigh guy sends everyone back to first grade including Tesla. The bifilar coil capacitance changes with the charge unlike the jackass contraprtion he says does the same work. He would need to scarf a variable capacitor, or radio tuner onto his single wire coil to get it to match the bifilar's performance!  

[MileHigh]

Jbignes5:

I have some closing comments and that's most likely it because my points will have been made.

For the transistor issue.  I learned about how they get silicon and purify it.  I can't remember what the purification steps are.  Then they melt it so that the silicon is just above the melting point.  Then they take a seed crystal of pure silicon and touch it to the surface of the molten silicon and slowly draw it up and the molten silicon starts to form a large ingot of near-perfect crystallized silicon.  That might take a few weeks if I recall.  Then they slice that into thin wafers.  Then the thin wavers are bombarded with a spray of aluminum or phosphorus atoms in a vacuum chamber (if I recall correctly) in combination with a photo-lithography process to "dope" the silicon into "N" and "P" regions to make the PN and NP junctions to make transistors.  Then the wafers are cut up into dice and packaged into transistors.  This process requires multi-million dollar machines in a wafer fabrication plant that typically costs billions of dollars.

Now, I was ignorant of the fact that in the 1950s people used to look for various minerals and cleave them and put them together to make home-made transistors.  Since I was ignorant of this, mainly because I am not from that generation, and my only frame of reference was a multi-billion dollar wafer fabrication plant, I said what I said and I was wrong.  So I made a mistake out of ignorance and I have no apologies for thinking like that because it seemed too far fetched to me that you could make a transistor yourself.  None the less, in the thread I apologized for my mistake after learning that you can indeed make your own transistors.

It is not a diversion it is a valid question

Here we are revisiting the "what is an electric field?/what does water taste like?" issue.   Here is an analogy for you:  You need new tires for your car and you go to the tire dealer.  The salesman starts to show you the latest models of tires and the prices, etc.   But you look at the salesman and stop him.   You say to him, "What is rubber, really?  What is a polymer chain, really?"  The salesman will look at you like you are nuts.  We are talking about the Tesla patent for the "series bifilar" coil here.  We are not talking about what electric fields and magnetic fields _really_ are.  That's just a diversion that I have seen many times before.

Here is another good question. Lets look at when you use impulses into the very same coil? What happens. Now what happens when you apply those impulses to the bifilar coil. <- this you don't know at all since you have done zero work at all in this field

I can't answer that question because you are not posing it correctly.  I doubt that you are aware of that fact.  What's the circuit?  I have done lots of work on the bench believe me.

I on the other hand am not stating a fact I am stating my direction in experiments that I think will help us understand energy with a complete concept.  Your intent is to discredit, attack or even discourage people to ask why or how and then prove it to them selves.

When I challenged you, I challenged you to make you think, to help you and the audience to understand energy, and most importantly to give the audience a balanced viewpoint so that they can make up their minds for themselves.  I am not discrediting or attacking, I am giving you the truth.  Will you understand what's going on on your bench or will you see it all through the lens of your dogma?  Will you be open to all ideas?  Those are important issues for you to contemplate.

Okay, I will break this up into two parts.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Jbignes5:

Here is the biggie:

Again the bifilar coil is not an ordinary coil. It does not operate in the same way and doesn't have the push back (false current, self inductace) that a normal solenoid coil has to any current besides they use them in wire wound resistors. If they acted like normal coils off the shelf then wire wound resistors are null and void. Obviously they are not and you argument is false. A normal coil when hooked up to a normal current like DC will resist the current flow as it charges up. This is due to the self inductance and the resistance of the wire in the normal coil. Eventually the coil will choke out the current and no current will flow until there is a change in the current. But a bifilar coil uses the capacity between the pairs of wires to cancel the self inductance. This allows the coil to convert all current into the "magnetic and electric fields" and will not resist the current flow. It also will not gain in voltage as well like a traditional coil, that process must be experimented with and data collected to figure out the difference.

I will repeat that I am assuming that we are talking about the Tesla patent, "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS," as per the title of this thread.

The coil will have the same "push back" a.k.a. inductance as a similar regular coil if you give it a DC energizing pulse.  This can be easily verified on the bench.

Special attention to this comment from you, "besides they use them in wire wound resistors. If they acted like normal coils off the shelf then wire wound resistors are null and void."

They don't put the kind of coil we are talking about in wire-wound resistors.  So you are in the clouds here.  You can buy wire-wound resistors where the turns of the wire go clockwise and counter-clockwise to eliminate as much of the inductance in the wire as possible through magnetic flux self-cancellation.  This has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.  So your dogma just got corrected.  See you got lucky and you have me here to educate you a bit.

Quoting you again, "But a bifilar coil uses the capacity between the pairs of wires to cancel the self inductance."

Only at the main resonant frequency.  In other words this only applies for AC excitation of the coil.  I get the strong feeling  that you thought that this cancellation of self-inductance applied to all aspects of the coil.  You need to do some soul searching Jbignes5 and open up some books.

So please think about these things Jbignes5.  No need for you to go running to "mommy" because you had a strong debate with someone on the forum.  There is a very strong peer pressure in places like this that says "I don't dare correct the posting my friend made."  I am 100% sure that you have made postings where you say stuff that I took issue with, like from your first two big postings in this thread, but nobody said anything even though your friends knew that you were wrong.  I will coin a new term for that, "Orwellian stagnation."

Finally, you clearly did not answer my question about the coil connected to the voltage source.  If you think that I am supposed to extract the answer to my question from the big paragraph in your last posting then you got the answer wrong.  So if you are up to trying again, go for it and quote the question and supply your answer.

MileHigh

[jbignes5]

Easily verified. You are a liar and here is the proof:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvb39SwTXBE

Since some work has been done on this already I think I shall continue without your tripe interfering.

Strong debate is one thing but you are a person that likes to debase anything you don't understand. You get off on it and it is easily seen from your previous post history that you enjoy debasing people because they don't follow your path. This debasing is a multiple technique that you use. If you can not win you insult people and if that doesn't work you try to make other people afraid to experiment along the lines of the intended thread.

Stop please. You are no more credible then the ones who oppose anything they don't understand or even didn't do any bench work ever. Stick to subjects you have experience with. Oh wait you are I guess... Because this is all that you do from your post history. Again why is it you have the same logical fallacies that Verpies has shown in the past with his various multiple accounts on here and your post style mimics his exactly? Never mind you statements have been proven wrong now go away and let us finish our investigations before I get mommy involved.