Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".

[MileHigh]

Jbignes5:

That experiment is flawed and even if it wasn't flawed what would it prove?  Differently wound coils can couple differently?  Wow that really confirms all of your "mind blowing" statements.

You couldn't answer my question about the circuit with a single inductor as the only component in the circuit.  Why should anyone listen to you about coils with that fact now established?  Don't you want to know the answer?  Do you have enough character to ask me to explain the answer to you?

For what it's worth, you were the first one to tell me that I was clueless in our debate.  I am not Verpies and you could use some character and debate like a man.  Nor am I out to debase people, I challenged you on your quasi educational stance in your postings where almost all that you posted about the Tesla "series bifilar" coil was wrong.  I challenged your ideas and statements, I didn't try to debase you.  Don't play the spin game.

Electronics is not some Tesla-inspired fantasy land.  It's real, real electronics make the world go round.  It's the largest industry in the world.  The debate is done and we have both made our points and the readers can decide for themselves.

MileHigh

[jbignes5]

 It proves you were wrong about the difference of the two coils. Now go argue your tripe somewhere else. It proves you are wrong that there is nothing special about the coil.

And again I answered your question. But you never answered my questions as expected.

As for your statement about a Tesla inspired electronics fantasy land? Who exactly do you think designed the AC system you use now? Or concepts like radio transmission?

I am trying to be civil here. You are not. " I challenged you on your quasi educational stance" and this is not debasing me? I do not wish to detract from our original conversation any further. You are derailing the thread and you are disrupting the thread. The evidence is clear there are big differences between the coils. And that was my original assertion. Everything else is proposed experiments and of course is being left to experiment on to validate. For which you responded with a statement that I might get someone hurt. That is a low tactic. Go back to the Mary Ainsely thread and get your rocks off there.

This is the last time I respond to you "Friend".

Here is a good way to show your ignorance of Tesla technology. This guy knows as much as you probably (nil). He doesn't even know anything about Tesla and his statements show it. Was that you in the front row?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A63u3i_O4AQ

[MileHigh]

Jbignes5:

Please clearly show me where you answered my question.  Please tell me what questions you want answered and I will answer them.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Jbignes5:

I looked at the gentleman's clip and it was very good.  It would be good for you to look at all of of his clips and and absorb the information.  It's a shame that his clips have so few views because he obviously put a lot of effort into producing them and he looks like a seasoned retired person with a wealth of experience in electronics to share.

As far as the Wardenclyffe tower goes, it was a viable early attempt at very long distance communications.  But the notion of using it to power ships at sea or power individual houses in cities goes, that would never have worked.  It's simply too inefficient, and most of the broadcast power would never make it to the end users, it would be lost.  Not to mention that to the best of my knowledge, Tesla did not have the time or finances or technology to broadcast thousands of megawatts of power though the air.  It would never have been a viable solution because perhaps for every kilowatt of power broadcast into the air, perhaps a few watts at best would make it to the end user.  So that would mean a lot of coal or oil would be burned for nothing which would be unacceptable.  The ridiculously low efficiency would make it too expensive.  Finally, nobody would want to live in a city knowing that serious amounts of lower-frequency power was being broadcast through the air.  People simply would not accept that.   So ultimately, it was an early experimental communications tower.

I have made a valuable contribution to this thread.  Instead of a bunch of back-slapping were people post that the Tesla "series bifilar" coil is the greatest thing since sliced bread, people hopefully are using their critical thinking skills and thinking more seriously about this coil.  Your argument that TK's clip shows something special because the coupling is different (which would likely be confirmed if the clip was redone and the errors corrected) is not correct.  I can wind another coil with a different geometry and the coupling will be different again.

My argument is that right now it appears the patent may have been a stop-gap measure to make an LC resonator, and no more than that.  It appears that the coil configuration is no more than a curiosity that never saw any serious application.

So I have a challenge posed to the readership of this thread and the experimenters to demonstrate something truly out of the ordinary or especially unique and advantageous associated with this "series bifilar" Tesla coil that's based on inter-woven windings of two half-coils put together.  That rules out showing that it can act like an LC resonator.  Even an ordinary coil can act as an LC resonator, and the real-world way to make an LC resonator is to mate an ordinary coil with a capacitor.  The notion that like "magic" you can quickly pump current into the coil when you DC pulse it is false, and I have covered that several times now.  There is no logical reason for that to happen.  The notion that it can produce a stronger magnetic field as compared to a similar regular coil is also false.  All of the fantastical attributes you assigned to this coil in your original two postings are also not true.  If you disagree, please by all means make a clip demonstrating your proposition.

So the challenge is still open.  Right now this coil is only marginally different from an equivalent regular coil.  I can only guess that Tesla was experimenting with an LC resonator for temporary energy storage but the project went nowhere.

You have to understand that Tesla's technology is something like five human generations removed from where we are now and in technological generations it's more like 50 generations.  Tesla didn't "invent" AC power, what he really did was apply existing knowledge and engineer a system based on the concept of AC induction.  That in itself is a major accomplishment and it was responsible for bringing power to the masses and changing the world.

So unless there is something remarkable that someone can bring to the discussion about the series bifilar Tesla coil, it looks to me like we are looking at a curiosity at best.

The problem Jbignes5 is that people see a patent from the 19th century and say to themselves, "I will use this patent to make an amazing pulse motor!!!"  In other words they read stuff into the patent that is simply not there.  Amateur experimenters make an incorrect connection between the 19th century patent and their pulse motors, among other things.

So you are welcome to bring something new and valuable to the table, preferably with a serious YouTube clip that is properly set up and properly explained with all of your measurements and conclusions properly documented in the clip itself.

MileHigh

[Magluvin]

Jbignes5:

I looked at the gentleman's clip and it was very good.  It would be good for you to look at all of of his clips and and absorb the information.  It's a shame that his clips have so few views because he obviously put a lot of effort into producing them and he looks like a seasoned retired person with a wealth of experience in electronics to share.

As far as the Wardenclyffe tower goes, it was a viable early attempt at very long distance communications.  But the notion of using it to power ships at sea or power individual houses in cities goes, that would never have worked.  It's simply too inefficient, and most of the broadcast power would never make it to the end users, it would be lost.  Not to mention that to the best of my knowledge, Tesla did not have the time or finances or technology to broadcast thousands of megawatts of power though the air.  It would never have been a viable solution because perhaps for every kilowatt of power broadcast into the air, perhaps a few watts at best would make it to the end user.  So that would mean a lot of coal or oil would be burned for nothing which would be unacceptable.  The ridiculously low efficiency would make it too expensive.  Finally, nobody would want to live in a city knowing that serious amounts of lower-frequency power was being broadcast through the air.  People simply would not accept that.   So ultimately, it was an early experimental communications tower.

I have made a valuable contribution to this thread.  Instead of a bunch of back-slapping were people post that the Tesla "series bifilar" coil is the greatest thing since sliced bread, people hopefully are using their critical thinking skills and thinking more seriously about this coil.  Your argument that TK's clip shows something special because the coupling is different (which would likely be confirmed if the clip was redone and the errors corrected) is not correct.  I can wind another coil with a different geometry and the coupling will be different again.

My argument is that right now it appears the patent may have been a stop-gap measure to make an LC resonator, and no more than that.  It appears that the coil configuration is no more than a curiosity that never saw any serious application.

So I have a challenge posed to the readership of this thread and the experimenters to demonstrate something truly out of the ordinary or especially unique and advantageous associated with this "series bifilar" Tesla coil that's based on inter-woven windings of two half-coils put together.  That rules out showing that it can act like an LC resonator.  Even an ordinary coil can act as an LC resonator, and the real-world way to make an LC resonator is to mate an ordinary coil with a capacitor.  The notion that like "magic" you can quickly pump current into the coil when you DC pulse it is false, and I have covered that several times now.  There is no logical reason for that to happen.  The notion that it can produce a stronger magnetic field as compared to a similar regular coil is also false.  All of the fantastical attributes you assigned to this coil in your original two postings are also not true.  If you disagree, please by all means make a clip demonstrating your proposition.

So the challenge is still open.  Right now this coil is only marginally different from an equivalent regular coil.  I can only guess that Tesla was experimenting with an LC resonator for temporary energy storage but the project went nowhere.

You have to understand that Tesla's technology is something like five human generations removed from where we are now and in technological generations it's more like 50 generations.  Tesla didn't "invent" AC power, what he really did was apply existing knowledge and engineer a system based on the concept of AC induction.  That in itself is a major accomplishment and it was responsible for bringing power to the masses and changing the world.

So unless there is something remarkable that someone can bring to the discussion about the series bifilar Tesla coil, it looks to me like we are looking at a curiosity at best.

The problem Jbignes5 is that people see a patent from the 19th century and say to themselves, "I will use this patent to make an amazing pulse motor!!!"  In other words they read stuff into the patent that is simply not there.  Amateur experimenters make an incorrect connection between the 19th century patent and their pulse motors, among other things.

So you are welcome to bring something new and valuable to the table, preferably with a serious YouTube clip that is properly set up and properly explained with all of your measurements and conclusions properly documented in the clip itself.

MileHigh

"I have made a valuable contribution to this thread."

I think some things you say in this post contradict that statement.

You are hammering Jbigs about him posting what you see are untruths. Well what about your statement here...."As far as the Wardenclyffe tower goes, it was a viable early attempt at very long distance communications.  But the notion of using it to power ships at sea or power individual houses in cities goes, that would never have worked.  It's simply too inefficient, and most of the broadcast power would never make it to the end users, it would be lost."

Where did 'you' get that information from other than in your head??? You now need to prove or show reference you what is in quotes above. Show me your sources for what you are saying there.

Do you know what eventually happened to Wardenclyffe tower and why??



"Not to mention that to the best of my knowledge, Tesla did not have the time or finances or technology to broadcast thousands of megawatts of power though the air. "
Didnt have the time??  Show me your sources 'to the best of your knowledge'. Oh he had the finances, and do you know why those finances were taken away?

Or maybe your knowledge, well, isnt the best. So far your way off.




"Finally, nobody would want to live in a city knowing that serious amounts of lower-frequency power was being broadcast through the air.  People simply would not accept that.   So ultimately, it was an early experimental communications tower."

Sources please.  If you cant provide the sources then you are inventing it as you go. I dont think there is a soul in this forum that would agree with you on any of that.

nobody would want to live in a city knowing that serious amounts of lower-frequency power was being broadcast through the air. ?  Dude you act as if people knew about that stuff back then as well as how to milk the cows. You have got to be kidding!!!!  First you say that the technology back then was so basic and crude, but nobody would want to live in a city knowing that serious amounts of lower-frequency power was being broadcast through the air. ? Do you not see the irony there dude??  lol  its just silly talk. or your bipolar, a flip flopper. YOUR story has a lot of quakes in it. Not cracks, literal quakes.



"My argument is that right now it appears the patent may have been a stop-gap measure to make an LC resonator, and no more than that. "

First off, your argument before was that the freq of operation would be too high to be useful in any way for a pulse motor and now just an LC resonator and nothing more. The title of the patent exclaims elctro-magnet. many of Teslas patents would state in the title if it was of a high freq nature. I have sources. Your arguments are imaginary. They are in your head and you are the first to say them.




"The problem Jbignes5 is that people see a patent from the 19th century and say to themselves, "I will use this patent to make an amazing pulse motor!!!"  In other words they read stuff into the patent that is simply not there.  Amateur experimenters make an incorrect connection between the 19th century patent and their pulse motors, among other things."

Soooo what dude. Ive said it before and Ill say it again. You hammer on this bifi stuff so relentlessly that I believe there must be something to it and you are here to discourage those that post about it when ever they do, again and again and again. Why is that?? You dont spank the Kapanadze crowd and look how much time and efforts people have wasted on that in a million directions. Why this coil and always this coil when it is brought up?? And thats a fact. It can be proven here without a doubt. This site is the source. And you even bring posts from Farmhand, as you must be following in the bifi coil thread at Energetic.  Yep, you have an itch about this coil and it aint pretty.    You give me faith in this coil more and more with every utterance from your mouth about this coil. its encouraging. But that doesnt mean I will let your false statements stand undebated.



"Tesla didn't "invent" AC power, what he really did was apply existing knowledge and engineer a system based on the concept of AC induction.  That in itself is a major accomplishment and it was responsible for bringing power to the masses and changing the world."

Tesla did invent 'AC power' as we know it today. It was him that fought to prove it was better than DC.  You give him no credit at all. You are a suppressor.     Ive said it before and Im saying it again just as others have in these last pages. You put out disinformation and distort what is written about tesla.

I was trying to keep my cool but you just opened the biggest can of stink Ive heard in a while. You better get your facts straight or provide sources for your statements, because clearly you have a lot of it wrong.


Mags