Joseph Newman Motor

[SkyWatcher123]

Hi folks, Hi neomagik, the catalyst for your brother was his soul (god self), that when awakened within any human, always seeks the truth, no matter how difficult or scary it may be to accept for the earth human mind.
It seems you already have a good idea of what is going on, you will do just fine.
You are going into a good path, even though at times, some will try to take you off the path of truth, some truths are for each individuated expression, some truths are universal in the universe.
May the brightest light, guide your way and everyones.
peace love light
tyson

[Magluvin]

Hi folks, Hi neomagik, the catalyst for your brother was his soul (god self), that when awakened within any human, always seeks the truth, no matter how difficult or scary it may be to accept for the earth human mind.
It seems you already have a good idea of what is going on, you will do just fine.
You are going into a good path, even though at times, some will try to take you off the path of truth, some truths are for each individuated expression, some truths are universal in the universe.
May the brightest light, guide your way and everyones.
peace love light
tyson

Im not saying dont continue belief in these things. I believe and Im searching. Just this motor, I would not endorse from what I know and see.  When I said a possible 1amp from the 9v batteries and possible input of 900w, well, if you watch the vid, he seems to be concerned about the batteries individually, checking them 1 by 1. Well, if you push them too hard, yeah, better keep an eye on them, especially during a demonstration.  So if the motor actually did not pull much if any current from the batteries, why worry about how the batteries are doing so often? Could they be over charging? He didnt show any proofs of that. He only presents it as a single AA battery pumping all that water, of which cannot happen with what I know so far.  Im always positive when it comes to OU. But these details I bring up on Joes motor should not be neglected.

Mags

[Magluvin]

How much is a 9v battery?  $5?  $9?    At $5, thats $500 for 100 of them. $900 for the good ones? 

My EZ Spin motor designed by Lasersaber, has 24 coils in series and 15.5kohm total series resistance. 900v/15kohm= 60ma    900v x .06amps= 54watts.  So, Im going to be rigging it up for 200v today and see how it runs. My reeds handle up to 200v but I have some 3in monster reeds Ill dig out for higher voltage testing. Dont know if I will take it to 900v ever, but 100v seems to give it some kick. So 200v will be impressive.

Now consider Joes motor. The thing is as big as a small generator at a coal fired electric plant. 54w?
54w was my tiny motor in comparison with 15kohm load. I wonder what ohm load Joes motor is. If it took more than 54w just to overcome all the loud noise making resistance, then what is left?

So we might have to consider that his coils were less than 15kohm, so more current. Like I said, I think 900w could pump that much water easily. Pool pump is a good example.

Not to say that Joe didnt have belief in this stuff and is a crook, but he has to know the difference between a gabillion 9v batts in series and a single AA batt, and if he doesnt, then all the rest has to be questioned. 

Mags

[TechStuf]

 
Mags, good observations.

I've said it before in this forum, and I'll say it one last time....

Get a bicycle wheel.  Attach one end of the axle to a board so that the wheel stands with the axle upright and spins freely in the horizontal plane.  On the rim of the wheel, using the spokes for spacing, mount 12 magnets N side up.  Put one of the magnets obtained at the following link in a small pill bottle, so that it has enough room to bounce around freely:

http://www.pushpinmagnets.com/  (they'll even send you a free sample)

The 12 agitator magnets should be several times larger than the small induction magnet.  Wrap the pill bottle with magnet wire and connect the ends to an LED.  Place the pill bottle above the rim of the wheel just high enough to work best.  A few tries will find the sweet spot.  Spin the wheel up with a cordless drill or other means, which will spin the wheel at a repeatable starting speed, or use a cheap stroboscope or "light bar" RPM gauge to measure rpms.  Time how long it takes the wheel to stop.  Now do it with the LED assembly away from the wheel.  Once you find the sweet spot, you will also find that sometimes the wheel actually spins LONGER with the LED assembly in place, producing energy.

And that is just ONE LED ASSEMBLY.  You see, when a magnet is situated nearly perpendicular to magnets passing by at the correct distance, one is taking advantage of one of the same principles of spintronics.  Only in a macro environment, by exploiting the flip momentum of the smaller magnet, yet never allowing it to land in a position other than at the semi neutral, near perpendicular position.  Often times the drive magnet below is drawn forward slightly as it approaches the tiny magnet in the pill bottle, then causing the flip as it passes, receiving a kick in the pants on the way by.  Moving on with slightly ADDED momentum.  And it is in this way, using one magnet to leverage another magnet into producing induction, that we are able to double back on "back emf" and limbo right under Lentz' law.  The impressive little "free for all" (pun very much intended) going on in that pill bottle shows how easily a magnet can be made to whip about with relatively little input.  Much like a double pendulum driven mad by gravity.  Only our "gravity" keeps restarting our "pendulum".  There are truly myriad ways of mimicking the dynamics of a simple electric motor, only substituting EM polarity switching with well timed PM pulses via rotary motion.

The tiny "pushpin magnet" will buzz around like an angry hornet, generating electricity absolutely free for the taking.  As proven by the fact that the wheel can spin just as long, sometimes longer, than when not generating energy at all.

Try it.  Then ask yourself, "What have I just proven and where can I go from Here?"

Like, how many "pill bottles" will it take to power an electric motor to drive the wheel? What are the best magnet size, shape and strength combos?  Is total freedom of movement for the flip magnet best, or gimbaled to a fixed plane or set of planes?  What is the best number of agitator magnets and spacing?  Best number of flip magnets and spacing? Is a larger, heavier flip magnet that flips at slower speeds but with greater kinetic energy beneficial? why or why not?   etc....etc...

You will note that the wheel spins quite freely while generating electricity.
 
Have fun.  This little project, though rather simplistic in this test bed form, is so very scalable. There are many, many ways of "putting a harness on the wheelwork of Creation" afterall.



TS

[MileHigh]

TS:

To someone that's a complete newbie, your explanation may sound quite credible and quite amazing and tantalizing.  If they want to believe then you are giving them hope.

But many people on the forum have built all sorts of similar setups and have a more seasoned view of things and they are not going to buy into what you are saying.  In fact, it's quite easy to rebut what you are saying without stating the obvious - your jumping magnets inside the pill bottles will draw their power from the spinning bicycle wheel and make it spin down faster.

Here is something that even a newbie can relate to:  Instead of tiny button magnets dancing around in a pill bottle, you start with much larger cylinder magnets in much larger containers.  Say the magnets are about one-half inch in diameter.  If you do that spin-down test, then it will clearly become apparent that the bicycle wheel spins down more quickly.  At that point all that you have to do is realize that as you decrease the size of the magnets in the pill bottles, there is no "magical crossover point" where you transition from draining energy from the bicycle flywheel to adding energy to the bicycle flywheel.  It's just not going to happen, people can intuitively understand this.

What will happen if the button magnets in the pill bottles get very small is that the measurements get harder and harder to do.  The effects of the jumping magnets will fall into the "background."  The bicycle wheel spin down time is also affected by things like the air density and viscosity (function of temperature, pressure, and humidity.)  The ambient temperature will also affect the bearings and the grease and as the bicycle wheel spins the bearings will slowly heat up.  So when the effect from the jumping magnets gets very small it is just one of many factors that affect the bicycle wheel spin-down time and they may all be comparable to each other.  So then you have to start doing things like having a system that releases the spinning bicycle wheel at precisely the exact same speed every time and you might have to do 100 spin-downs to calculate the average time it takes, and then add the tiny jumping magnets in their pill cases and do another 100 spin-downs to calculate the average spin-down time and compare.  You have to do both test runs consecutively with the desire to have the ambient air be approximately the same for both test runs.  You also have to do perhaps 50 runs before you even start making measurements to "warm up" the bearings and the grease so the thermal profile for the 100 runs without the jumping magnets and the 100 runs with the jumping magnets is approximately the same.

So the message is that seeing a single longer spin-down time when the effect from the jumping magnets is very tiny is nothing more than anecdotal information.

But the real message is just the simple thought experiment where you start with large jumping magnets and then go to much smaller jumping magnets.  It's something that most if not all people can relate to.  The jumping magnets and the lighting of the LEDs simply causes Lenz drag on the spinning bicycle wheel.  The Lenz drag doesn't magically go away when the jumping magnets get very small.  By the same token, there is no "optimal configuration or combination to hunt for" like you are suggesting.  That's a cliche and I think that most seasoned experimenters will discount that notion.

MileHigh