Joseph Newman Motor

[neomagik]

Hello all,

This is my first time here at OU and apologies in advance for the lengthy post but I'd just like to explain how I ended up here.

My brother is an out an out conspiracy theorist, to the point where he can't really talk about anything else. He is 27 years old, didn't particularly do very well at school and now works with our dad as a builder. I'm not really sure what the catalyst was for him to be the way he is but whatever it was really took hold of his mind and channelled his thoughts along a one way path. It has driven a wedge between him and the rest of the family and any time we see him a heated debate or argument will ensue. Working with my dad has sparked many an argument between them, some to the point of name calling. This is a sad state to get into between father and child.

I myself am an electrical design engineer and I was at odds with him for a long time until he showed me some videos on Youtube, the first of which being the incident whereby Roger Hayes, the chairman of the British Constitution Group was unlawfully imprisoned without trial last year. The fact that this never made mainstream news was the kick down the rabbit hole that I needed and am glad to have fallen into. My mind has and is continually being expanded now I have this altered view of the world, its leaders and their motives. Youtube has become the vehicle by which a growing number of people are rising up and speaking out. One of my favourite clips is of the guy who stands up to the bailiffs who are trying to access a residence and when the police arrive he convinces them that the bailiffs are acting unlawfully and the police ask them to leave.

Anyway down to the reason for the post. I recently watched an hour long video of Joseph Newman of whom I am sure you are all familiar. First it shows a modern clip of him demonstrating his machine, then it goes in to a documentary that looks like it was made in the mid 80's about the events of his life. It explains his fight with the patent office, it shows a rather sheepish patent office official who won't answer questions, it shows seemingly genuine physicists explaining how the machine appears to work, against their better judgment and current physics understanding and it explains how he demonstrated his machine to NASA who were supposedly unable to debunk it.

So my thinking is as follows:

1.   His machine works but the powers that be are deliberately refusing to issue a patent because of the obvious ramifications
2.   Why has no one gone in to mass production if it works?
3.   He may be a fraud and the documentary was a hoax. If this is true why are so many people replicating the machine and why did it cause such a stir in the 80's if it was that easy to debunk and to what end?

I don't really know what to think. I am tempted to make one for myself but I've seen the sceptics here, the ones who say they have not yet seen any device that produces OU to date. If they are correct then according to the JN documentary they have more experience and expertise than NASA unless of course the documentary was definitely a hoax or deliberately misleading.

I would be grateful of any thoughts on this?

[neomagik]

Bump!

[TinselKoala]

1. The documentary is deliberately misleading.
2. JN is a powerful personality and has essentially bullied his way to a certain "fame" or notoriety.
3. Nobody, not even Joe Himself, has ever shown any overunity performance from a "Newman motor" design.
4. Lots and lots of people have "replicated" Newman motors. They are fun to work with and produce large, extensive magnetic fields that can even wirelessly power other magnet rotors in the vicinity. This is not OU or free energy, though.
5. The sloppy, sparky mechanical commutation that you see Newman using is an essential part of any "Newman motor" and produces lots of RF noise and big inductive spikes from the huge inductance of his motor coils. This complicates measurement of input power to the motor.
6. Newman's own motors are huge, have a lot of rotational inertia. This complicates measurement of the output power of the motor.
7. Electronics and electromechanical devices of a conventional nature are sophisticated and efficient enough so that, in my estimation, a _genuine_ COP of about 1.3 - 1.5 or so should be enough to enable self-looping an electromechanical system, like a motor-generator thing or a spike-siphoner or battery self-charger or such like. COP>2 certainly will allow self-looping of such a system. If you ever see anyone claiming COP>2 for such a system but claiming it can't be self-looped for some reason.... put your wallet back in your pocket and just walk away.
8. Please feel free to prove me wrong. You will need lots and lots of very fine wire and hundreds of 9v batteries, though.

[Magluvin]

Newman seemed a bit shady in presentation. He would show the big monster motor in the background and then hold a AA battery and claim that the input to the motor would be equal to that amount in the single AA battery. Then hold a 9v battery and say similar things. Then when we get to it, he has a gabillion 9v batteries on a panel in series. It might be that some people looking at that, they may have an instilled belief that all those batteries are only delivering 1 battery worth of energy to push that big motor, not really considering the extra initial cost, and that the more that are in series, the higher the voltage, more current pours through them, and very soon the cost of 100 more 9v batteries. Or recharge I suppose.

So lets say there was 100 9v batts. And for giggles they can put out 1amp each. 900watts. Or if we put them in parallel, 9v 100amps, 900watts. I might think that as much water the thing was pumping, 900w could do that conventionally. And a much smaller pump and motor, and a lot less noise.

Not that a 9v batt should be run at 1A continuously, I couldnt imagine any less to get that off balance behemoth to reach warble speed. Its not that bad, but I was waiting for something to blow. I wouldnt want to be near that thing running at full bore. 

So when he holds that AA and says that motor is running off of the amount of energy in that single battery, its not a 'small' fib.

Mags

[Pirate88179]

So when he holds that AA and says that motor is running off of the amount of energy in that single battery, its not a 'small' fib.

Mags

Well said Mags.

Bill