Big try at gravity wheel

[Grimer]

I owe the idea of recoil to Hans von Lieven.


In my view his paper (link below) is the best single source for info on the Keenie.

http://www.zen111904.zen.co.uk/THE%20ROAD%20TO%20PERPETUAL%20MOTION.htm


I'll have to find the relevant quote.

For me, one of the most significant passaged in Hans von Lieden's paper is the following:

It is my contention that Bessler discovered his "motus perpetualis" by observation!


We know that at some stage in his life Bessler was a soldier. I believe he discovered his principle by watching the recoil of a gun.


We also know that Bessler was the recipient of an extraordinary education, which at the time was considered second to none.


He was tutored by Christian Weise (1642-1708). Weise was an outstanding intellect in his time. His work on science, education and literature is considered of such importance that his collected works (25 volumes !) were re-published as recently as 1971!


He is almost unknown outside Germany.

I believe the only thing Hans lacked was a valve in the shape of a one way clutch. Had he grasped the significance of that in throwing away half of the jerk energy he would have had the complete solution.

[MarkE]

Mr. Grimer you are being very rude and disruptive.  Kindly take your discussion of the Keenie Device to the Keenie Device thread.

[TinselKoala]

Bessler's experience as a master _clockmaker_ is far more relevant to his fakery than his experience as a soldier. What he discovered is that maids work cheaply but aren't always completely faithful after leaving one's employ. The gullibility of (some of) the rich has been known since long before Bessler.

[TinselKoala]

Wayne Travis said,

...Engineers from Adapco recognized five - Of the engineers that have evaluated our system some trip up at the "counter intuitive" design process - not all.

Adapco said "you have presented at least five counter intuitive designs into your system that in reflection - are a requirement to defeat the law of conservation. ...

Which Adapco would that be, then?

http://www.myadapco.com/

Mosquito control? Appropriate perhaps but really, that must not be the one Travis means.

http://www.cd-adapco.com/

CD-adapco is the world's largest independent CFD-focused provider of engineering simulation software, support and services. We have over 30 years of experience in delivering industrial strength engineering simulation.

That sounds more like it.... and in the first couple of Google search pages there aren't any other likely candidates. Please feel free, Mister Wayne Travis, to provide correct contact details so that we can get the verification "straight from the horse's mouth" so to speak.

Meanwhile....

I see that CD-adapco has offices in Tulsa OK and Austin TX, as well as many other places.
Here's the contact info for the Tulsa office:
       
Triad II Building           7645 East 63rd Street           Suite 105           Tulsa           OK           74133           United States       Telephone:     (+1) 918 505 4220       Fax:     (+1) 918 872 9443       Email:     info@cd-adapco.com       Support Email:     support-us@cd-adapco.com


Mister Wayne Travis's claim sure sounds like he is trying to say that "adapco" engineers have somehow confirmed his claims. I wonder what the company has to say about that. Since he mentioned them here in a public forum in that context... what does that do to any NDAs that may have been signed, I wonder? 


ETA: But really.... read the quote from Travis again, isolated from the rest of his ... er.... rhetoric. Perhaps the adapco engineers are telling him he has made five unsupportable ("counterintuitive") assumptions in his kludgewerk that would represent violations of "the law of conservation", hence preventing it from working as he claims. Indeed... if this engineering simulation software company has a simulation that indicates any OU.... I wouldn't trust them to build any bridges or airplanes.

[MarkE]

My, are you not funny,, run the transfer pump,,

Why waste energy\potential from the system if you do not need to,, just because you can? that is still silly,,

Webby, because you have no choice in the matter.  The configuration that you set-up is condemned to losing almost half it's energy operating as you have described that you intend it to operate.

The transfer pump does not help you here.  You have a first state with the two cylinders as you have specified and there is a second transient state with the cylinders at equal pressure.  The process of going from the first state to the second state loses nearly half the stored energy of the first state to heat.