Big try at gravity wheel

[Red_Sunset]

Hey Red, you are out of control there. YOU cannot present any proof of your conjectures, whereas MarkE has all of physics standing behind him.

Furthermore..... if a single Zed is, say, 99 percent efficient, how can two of them connected together be more efficient? 0.99 x 0.99 = a little more than 0.98. The only way to get OU efficiency from one unit feeding its output to another identical unit and back again, is for one or both units to be clearly OU themselves.

Even furthermore..... why isn't Travis showing all the self-running prototypes he and his engineers have constructed over the last several years? Where are all these self-runners? Nowhere, that's where. I do believe that if YOU, Red, had anything like what Travis was claiming three years ago, you wouldn't be having lawsuit or investor problems. I certainly know I wouldn't.

The conclusion from all this weight of actual evidence is that Travis, and by extension YOU, Red..... are simply FOS.

TK
What I find most incredible that you guys can not read, I am presenting a concept theory based on Wayne's ZED. I am not presenting or representing Wayne or HER or their achievements or proving their self runner, ...ect..

But carry on,  you wise cracks, Overunity will never be accomplished with attitudes and poor open minds as seen here.
You may throw logical reasoning out of the window and stick to your the physics standing, so where has it taken you thus far with the" in the box" thinking.  The world is for the adventurous!
What more can I say,  I can only to shake my head in amusement.

Red_Sunset

[TinselKoala]

TK
What I find most incredible that you guys can not read, I am presenting a concept theory based on Wayne's ZED. I am not presenting or representing Wayne or HER or their achievements or proving their self runner, ...ect..

But carry on,  you wise cracks, Overunity will never be accomplished with attitudes and poor open minds as seen here.
You may throw logical reasoning out of the window and stick to your the physics standing, so where has it taken you thus far with the" in the box" thinking.  The world is for the adventurous!
What more can I say,  I can only to shake my head in amusement.

Red_Sunset

I can read just fine, and I can prove it. You, however, seem to be unable to read your own writings deeply enough to provide a cogent logical argument that supports your opinion. Which is all you actually have: opinion. And your opinion in these matters (ZED, Travis, etc) is not supported by the numerous facts that we actually do know for sure.
You cannot provide instructions to construct a device which demonstrates the validity of the effects you claim. You are in the same position as many other claimants who are enamoured of an idea but cannot actualize it because "stuff" just doesn't really behave the way you want it to. Would you like to present a physical situation or apparatus that refutes anything I or MarkE have said? Please do so. We can present situations and references and analyses that falsify your conjectures.  This isn't a joke, it's reality. Support your conjectures with actual facts, checkable outside references, proper calculations, or demonstrations of your own. You cannot, so perhaps you should stop being so critical of those who take the _many times proven_ main line of actual Physics here.

[MarkE]

Yes.

I believe I did.

No I have not.

As I stated, the numbers may be evidence but not proof.

"Show me the sausages"  I think this is, in all actuality, the only thing that would bring an actual open discussion of things.

Webby, great that is progress.  Can you share the test procedure and test data that led you to believe that you broke even?  And would you be kind enough to share the explanation that you came up with?

Thanks.

[MarkE]

I do not dispute that I am not the best in explaining this things without having to spend more time writing something up what has been written too many times
But that is not the issue, really and I tell you why,

Your quoteWhat was invalid ?

I told you twice.  Please reread.  And once more:  You conflated force and power for energy and you used a single point formula for energy when you need to obtain energy difference, IE you need to integrate.

What makes you think that your scrutiny was any good ?  the subsequent posts tell a different story

If you dispute facts kindly put the facts in dispute directly on the table.

So do you want to base your conclusions on your own inconclusive scrambled scrutiny?

You assert without offering evidence here.  Get the horse in front of your cart.

I do not understand that I have to prove something.  I have no obligation to educate you.  You can grasp it or you ask for clarification , you started on the wrong foot.

You have no obligations.  And no one has to buy your appeals to magic, or other illogical and unsupported assertions.

If you do not believe a high level process proposal, that is OK, refute with a proper counter argument, that is OK too.   But do not try to cover up your own inadequacies with unfounded opinions.

Red_Sunset

I have refuted.  You have offered objections with various illogical and unevidenced appeals.  Honestly, you went right over the top when you invoked "The Emperor's New Zed".  If only people "smart enough" to part with money to Mr. Wayne are smart enough to understand hand waving claims without evidence, then more power to them.

[MarkE]

Webby,
Do yourself a favor, this guy was/is leading you and me on,  for someone who had multiple standing arguments 2 yrs ago on PESN forum about the same device with the same half cooked arguments, would know very well what the physical hardware is all about.
Now he comes across as if has never seen the ZED
He was just told in one of the earlier posts today that a dual configuration is mandatory, now he is talking about standalone cycling for your single unit.  This is not the only occurrence I have noticed of this behavior.

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Red_Sunset

Ad hominem attack is a weak way to argue.  Evidence is welcome.  Kindly supply some that supports your assertions.