Big try at gravity wheel

MarkE · January 28, 2014, 01:51:47 PM

Webby that's too bad. Hopefully you will find your notebook and we can explore what you observed further. Thanks for looking.

MarkE · January 28, 2014, 05:46:43 PM

Webby, the weight of the air is rather immaterial to the cycle by cycle energy balance. The compressibility expends work put into the system as heat. Driving out all of the air between sections reduces the composite of those sections to a hydraulic jack. If we retain the last buoyancy section then it only gets slightly more complicated.

MarkE · January 28, 2014, 08:02:06 PM

Quote from: webby1 on January 28, 2014, 06:05:58 PM
If the compressibility of air is removed from the system but the volume the air fills is not, then the buoyant lift component is left in tact and the hydraulic component becomes a reaction to the pressure increase and lift ensues, at the end of that lift the shifted water columns still retain the potential put into them when they were brought up to lift condition and will return that potential if allowed.

If the air substitute weighs as much as water then there would be no buoyant lift and no hydraulic lift either, it would just push the fluid out the last riser and over the last retainer.

The various concentric rings just become one hydraulic jack. Put the air back and the fixture can be reconfigured to operate as one hydraulic jack with an air bubble in it. This leads to a few questions:

1) What changes that is of any significance to the cycle by cycle energy balance when simplifying the system versus the system as described by HER?

2)What physical principles are alleged to be responsible for such a difference?

3) How can each 1) and 2) be tested?

Red_Sunset · January 29, 2014, 12:02:58 AM

Quote from: MarkE on January 28, 2014, 08:02:06 PM
The various concentric rings just become one hydraulic jack. Put the air back and the fixture can be reconfigured to operate as one hydraulic jack with an air bubble in it. This leads to a few questions:

1) What changes that is of any significance to the cycle by cycle energy balance when simplifying the system versus the system as described by HER?

2)What physical principles are alleged to be responsible for such a difference?

3) How can each 1) and 2) be tested?

MarkE
The pro's & con's of a reconfiguration of this type were discussed in Wayne's thread 2 years ago.
Have a look there on this site
Red_Sunset

MarkE · January 29, 2014, 12:28:40 AM

Red_Sunset, then you should have no difficulty explaining what differences were found with respect to energy and why.