Big try at gravity wheel

[Red_Sunset]

Red_Sunset it's too bad that you now declare that you have no interest in performing energy balances.  That could be that you don't think anyone would pay attention to actual evidence of the supposed physics shattering discovery that you have been promoting for over two years.  Or it could be that the dreaded Men In Black have gotten to you and are forcing you to discredit your ideas.  Or it could be that you know as well as anyone else that any competently performed energy balance will not show the energy surplus you keep claiming.  I'll take door number three. 

No MarkE,
You choose the wrong door.   Compiling posts take time,  but there is not point in spending time when there is no comparable return.  In the end we live from a bi-directional exchange.
When you don't receive any real benefit in any type or form, then there is no point to continue, that is the bottom line.

Just for curiosity, here is an invention that satisfies all apparent requirements our demanding members want.
A physical PROOF video.
A demonstration of a loaded Mag motor (resistive load, lamps and heater), he even takes it outside and turns it over.  What proof is this if you have no clue who it possibly works ?
How can this assumed "PROOF" demonstration means something without understanding the working guts.
Although the skeptics here are not interested in the guts but want a physical video only ?   
Do you agree that he has THE OU SOLUTION ?   
Please can you explain and clarify that viewpoint to me.

Wasif Kahloon
Video 1:  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1asgtf_challange-to-the-engineers_tech
Video 2:   http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18eddh_magnet-machine-which-produces-endless-mechanical-and-electrical-energy_auto

What information am I short of, for not believing what I am seeing?

Red_Sunset

 

[mondrasek]

Red, IMO every time the entire device is NOT in the frame of the camera, someone can be manipulating it.

M.

[Red_Sunset]

Red, IMO every time the entire device is NOT in the frame of the camera, someone can be manipulating it.
M. 

M,
Many soft manipulations can take place with a video that is not real time,
in addition there can be physical manipulations that are physically hidden.

If you can spot one or more of the tricks, fine, but even if you do not spot anything suspicious, that still doesn't mean anything because you can never be sure.

A disclosure of the working principle, something that can be analyzed and then classified in categories of proof or probability can immediately work around many manipulation and give greater surety than a physical video proofing can ever do.

Red_Sunset

[mondrasek]

A disclosure of the working principle, something that can be analyzed and then classified in categories of proof or probability can immediately work around many manipulation and give greater surety than a physical video proofing can ever do.

Marcel,

I completely agree.  But in this case I only saw a video of phenomenon that can be reproduced by interactions with the device that appear to be "conveniently" out of frame of the camera.

I would like to hear a disclosure of the working principle!  Maybe I missed it?  I only checked out the vid in a quick pass by my computer since I've been busy elsewhere with the results of a s**ty snow storm most of today.

Actually, I'd rather drop the topic entirely as I think there are other more interesting ZED discussions going on.  But, of course, we are conversing in the RAR thread, so we are all guilty of thread hijacking!

...

Well that was an interesting realization.

I think we should start a new thread that is appropriately titled.  Does anyone else agree?

I mean a new thread for the ZED discussion that has been going on recently, of course.

M.

[MarkE]

I think we should understand the 14.8mJ of energy you describe to be the "pre-charge" energy.  Which is supposedly not lost during the cycle.  If so, it is a manufacturing cost, and not part of the energy balance analysis of an operational cycle.

Of course, if this "pre-charge" energy is lost during the cycle, then it could be driving the device.

Cheers,

M.

Mondrasek, sure, that is why defining the starting point for a cycle is important, as is accounting for all energy put in and removed cycling from the starting point and back during a complete cycle.