Big try at gravity wheel

[MarkE]

A self-running machine is surely the ultimate sanity check for an over unity device.  I don't think that should discourage people from making measurements and performing calculations in the normal course of investigations.  We should just always be very cautious when any measurements and/or calculations yield unexpected and/or extraordinary results like over unity.  When they do, then we should be prepared to perform very careful double checks to make certain that the measurements, calculations and interpretations of the test set-ups are all correct.  If they are then we might just have found something extraordinary that the double checks will serve to verify.

The more common problem that I see is that some people want to make extraordinary claims but for all their talk are unwilling to perform the measurements, and/or calculations, and/or checks of their test set-ups needed to reliably establish things as simple and as important as energy in and out each cycle.

[Red_Sunset]

A self-running machine is surely the ultimate sanity check for an over unity device.  I don't think that should discourage people from making measurements and performing calculations in the normal course of investigations.  We should just always be very cautious when any measurements and/or calculations yield unexpected and/or extraordinary results like over unity.  When they do, then we should be prepared to perform very careful double checks to make certain that the measurements, calculations and interpretations of the test set-ups are all correct.  If they are then we might just have found something extraordinary that the double checks will serve to verify.

The more common problem that I see is that some people want to make extraordinary claims but for all their talk are unwilling to perform the measurements, and/or calculations, and/or checks of their test set-ups needed to reliably establish things as simple and as important as energy in and out each cycle. 

When you do and interpret the measurements you are doing it on a basic multi-layer piston,  not a ZED.  You are not able to following all required process sequences to achieve OU with a simple setup.
Please REMEMBER the statements made and confirmed in previous posts in this thread, do take that into account to do JUSTICE to your measurements and the device.
What you should be able to observe is constant volume for a given stroke distance, regardless of the lift force, in both directions.

« on: February 02, 2014, 09:03:59 AM »
1. Red points out the a ZED by itself is not OU [that there is no gain in energy is accepted by others].
   ** To be understood as a simple hydro piston, a multi-layer device shown in pictures with water columns height in the various levels, you have a very efficient hydro lift device.
A ZED can be understood as a complete system used in a dual configuration with a second ZED, and provides the ability to achieve OU and loop capability due to cost saving ability.

3. Red postulates that everything would be sub-OU [no NET energy gain] unless a metered/pulsed mechanical intervention happens to interrupt the cycle [fluid volume transfer to beneath the pod/piston ?!] - this process gives rise to a self-sustaining movement of the mechanisms with an excess of available energy to do external work.
  **   This should be understood as a process that changes the lift parameters between the up & down stroke which is synonymous to high & low pressure range

« on: February 01, 2014, 09:51:11 PM »
Nature: The natural process process flow takes the system through its cycle. The natural expected flow path which is by standard ~symmetrical .

Technology:  The un-natural flow path. If you would leave the natural primary process to its own devices, it would never follow the desired path.  It requires a subsystem that interferes with he primary natural process in order to steer it in a predetermined path.


Gravity powered devices / Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« on: February 01, 2014, 07:57:13 AM »
Fetcher, Webby,....
Some clarification that can help, Webby's riser is the hardware device that makes the implementation of the asymmetric working concept possible.  By it self , the concept is a fantasy as you said before,  very true.  But so is the riser.  Together it is a different story.
Webby risers will have the ability to realize the objective of the concept in a specific controlled way as outlined by Wayne.  The concept realization has multiple physical property aspects that related to the device and working hand in hand are the ingenious input savings it allows.  The second ZED in the dual configuration plays an important savings role that can not be achieved by a stand alone ZED

And some more statements further back..
Good luck

Red_Sunset

[MileHigh]

There are about a dozen or so statements in Red_Sunset's posting where he tries to create the illusion that the ZED is real.  It's the same old modus operandi that the readers of this thread have seen over and over.  If you are not at all technical and you are susceptible to outside influences and you want to believe then you might inadvertently get lulled or dumbed-down and actually start to believe him.

Don't fall for it.  Just like a sparrow will feign that it has a broken wing in the presence of a predator to draw attention away from its young, Red_Sunset is trying to draw your attention away from the common sense truth and protect Wayne and Wayne's interests.

The broken wing is a FAKE, don't forget that.

[TinselKoala]

Let's not forget something else.

Wayne Travis claimed, in these exact words, to HAVE a "simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself".  Yet he never demonstrated this simple three layer system that is clearly OU by itself, nor did he indicate just what kinds of measurements he made that demonstrate the clear overunity. By itself.

So, if Travis is telling the truth, it should be able to be demonstrated in a SIMPLE, THREE LAYER SYSTEM.  BY ITSELF.

And if Travis is NOT telling the truth.... then Travis is lying.

[Red_Sunset]

................................................................  If you are not at all technical and you are susceptible to outside influences and you want to believe then you might inadvertently get lulled or dumbed-down and actually start to believe him.

Don't fall for it. Just like a sparrow will feign that it has a broken wing in the presence of a predator to draw attention away from its young, Red_Sunset is trying to draw your attention away from the common sense truth and protect Wayne and Wayne's interests.
The broken wing is a FAKE, don't forget that. 

Mile High,
I loved your sparrow wing story,
This classic by Homer, would have worked out very nicely too,

Therefore pass this Red_Sunsets by, and stop your men's ears with wax that none of them may hear; but if you like you can listen yourself, for you may get the men to bind you as you stand upright on a cross-piece half way up the mast, and they must lash the rope's ends to the mast itself, that you may have the pleasure of listening. If you beg and pray the men to unloose you, then they must bind you faster.

"'When your crew have taken you past this Red_Sunset, I cannot give you coherent directions as to which of two courses you are to take; I will lay the two alternatives before you, and you must consider them for yourself.

Red_Sunset