Big try at gravity wheel

[TinselKoala]

Question:
Does anybody have some idea to what a validation by Mark Dansie of a OU device would cost?
I believe he comes with a team of engineers.

Red_Sunset

Why don't you ask him yourself? He's a member of this forum, you can send him a PM. Or you can go to his excellent alternative-energy website, Revolution-Green, and contact him through that.

http://revolution-green.com/

He's made two site visits to Travis already.... and was not convinced. He can be heard speaking of Travis and his visits there on an issue of the Smart Scarecrow show a couple months back.

[TinselKoala]

The big problem with any test that doesn't produce a self-runner has been shown in the past to be very debatable, a classic example was the Rosemary Ainslie circuit, the ultimate test will always be, "can you make a self-runner" ? this shouldn't be a problem if you have (excess energy)  the biggest problem Wayne had was that after repeatedly promising verification on his device self-running, he repeatedly broke his word and gave out excuses over two years, to the point that he has now removed the update section from his own website.

Somewhat more than two years.

Don't you remember the PowerPoint slide show? When was that first shown to prospective investors (none of whom "bit", by the way)?

[TinselKoala]

The big problem with any test that doesn't produce a self-runner has been shown in the past to be very debatable, a classic example was the Rosemary Ainslie circuit, the ultimate test will always be, "can you make a self-runner" ? this shouldn't be a problem if you have (excess energy)  the biggest problem Wayne had was that after repeatedly promising verification on his device self-running, he repeatedly broke his word and gave out excuses over two years, to the point that he has now removed the update section from his own website.

Actually, if one has a device that is a "stub" of a selfrunning OU device, but still needs some power to run, that is great!

As I've shown with the HappyFunBall SNOT testbed, it is possible to know, with great precision, just how much energy needs to be supplied to such a system, per cycle, to keep it running. This is the "baseline" condition. For the HFB, it's some tiny fraction of a Joule per cycle; my measurements of the ball's KE are actually at the _microJoule_ level of precision.

Now, any changes you make to your device or its operating parameters can be compared to this known baseline condition, to see if your mods need _more energy_ replaced to keep running, or less energy. If the latter, then you can KNOW with some confidence that your changes did take you "closer" to being able to "self run".

Just as I can now put any configuration of magnetic gates or ramps into my HFB system and measure the resulting amount of energy that needs to be replaced to keep it running as before. Any improvement over the non-gated, non-ramped version would indicate that the Gate or Ramp arrangement was indeed helping, by putting some energy into the system or reducing critical losses.

You will never see this kind of experimentation from a Wayne Travis, though, because it will reveal things he does not want you to know.

[minnie]

     Koala,
             I'd like to build a ZED can you point me in the right direction?
    Many thanks,
                    John.

[TinselKoala]

     Koala,
             I'd like to build a ZED can you point me in the right direction?
    Many thanks,
                    John.

I suggest you look at Mondrasek's system. Webby did a good job too, as certified by Travis himself with a nice lump of quid. The PowerPoint slide show I attached above is _supposed_ to give the basic operating principles and is intended to be convincing enough to make investors drool with greed and open up their wallets, and Travis's patent application makes good reading, over a cup of hot toddy, while sitting next to a warm fire. If you like that sort of thing, that is.

But Mond has the basic testbed design and the basics of the instrumental measurements needed as well. Plus he has the cool blue LED lighting, a real touch of class. If I were still interested at all, I'd go with Mondrasek's basic apparatus and work from there. Of course, without having the exact design of the "simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself" that Travis claimed to have, you might not be able to get any OU measurements from it.

Here's a link to the old thread, at a page that shows some drawings and pressures and liquid levels. Of course this was back before Travis asked Stefan to close that thread, and well before the lawsuit and the changes-of-names, well before the TAZ and the flat-packable rotary ZED, or other "modern improvements" that we've never actually seen...

http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg332742/#msg332742

But the whole thing breaks down when the claimed power output is considered along with the strength of gravity, as you have pointed out many times. Consider that the output side of the systems we have seen consists of an ordinary hydraulic motor turning an ordinary windfarm-style alternator --- where is the pressure and flow necessary to provide 20 or 30 kW at the shaft of the alternator to come from? Gravity? Buoyancy? In a device the size of a garden shed?

Just thinking of it makes me cough up a ROFL.