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Overunity Machines Forum



Big try at gravity wheel

Started by nfeijo, May 03, 2013, 10:03:04 AM

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Grimer

With free energy the economics of producing bio will be transformed.
The fat guy should know - he's an economist.


You will notice from the previous graph that even with the huge capital
investment involved in hydro the return on investment is way, way
ahead of the rest.

Not only that but there's only a limited number of places you can
build dams and these are rapidly running out.


Gravity engines can be built anywhere. In the desert, underground,
on the bottom of the ocean, deep inside a mountain.


Won't the Nimbys be pleased.  :)


And the tree huggers coz with gravity energy biodiesel will be carbon neutral.
Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising  -  Fair as the moon. Bright as the sun  -  Terrible as an army set in battle array.

Grimer

Here's a photo of the Brunel emulator when he was younger.


The text is a Google translation from Portuguese.
Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising  -  Fair as the moon. Bright as the sun  -  Terrible as an army set in battle array.

Grimer


I think I can now see my way to understanding what's going on with the RAR gravity engine.


These various mechanisms which are being discussed, the simple balance, the Roberval Balance and the RAR are all energy transduscers which convert the gravitational acceleration into different orders of energy and route that energy to different destinations.


The three lowest orders of energy we are concerned with are


1st order ..... velocity
2nd order ..... acceleration
3rd order ..... jerk


Fortunately for us we can forget about the next three higher orders,
snap(4th), crackle(5th) and pop(6th),


Starting first with a simple lever balance pivoted at its centre we can see that the equal 2nd order energy of two unit masses in free fall is transduced into equal 3rd order energy for the mass nearest (inboard) and the mass furthest (outboard) from the pivot.


Both masses have the same angular momentum in other words.


In contrast the 2nd order energy of the two masses is no longer equal.
The 2nd order energy (acceleration) is partitioned into a greater and a lesser.


The outboard mass has the greater 2nd order energy.
The inboard mass has the lesser 2nd order energy.


So we can see that the simple balance is a step up transducer.
The energy equality is stepped up from the 2nd to the third order.


In contrast the boundary case of a Roberval Balance leaves the energy order of two free falling masses unchanged.


In this boundary case the component masses of the balance tend to zero
and the vertical movement of the balance pan also tends to zero.


Now even without having a full analysis of the RAR certain things seem clear enough.


The 3rd order energy is being partitioned between the mass of the earth (as in the case of gravity assist) and the crankshaft.


The transfer of the partitioned jerk is takes place as the outboard RAR mass is grounded.


It's certainly a damned more complicated away of harnessing gravity than the Bessler or the Keenie.


I suppose one can view it as the gravitational equivalent of a Newcomen Atmospheric Engine.


Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising  -  Fair as the moon. Bright as the sun  -  Terrible as an army set in battle array.

TinselKoala

No.

Until it turns under its own power, it can only be viewed as an incredibly complicated boat anchor.

Or rather, two of them, since there's one being built in the USA as well.

You have a remarkable ability to rationalize, Frank. The fact that nobody, nowhere, has ever been able to demonstrate any kind of working gravity motor doesn't deter you at all.

Grimer

Quote from: TinselKoala on January 03, 2014, 04:17:15 AM
No.

Until it turns under its own power, it can only be viewed as an incredibly complicated boat anchor.

Or rather, two of them, since there's one being built in the USA as well.

You have a remarkable ability to rationalize, Frank. The fact that nobody, nowhere, has ever been able to demonstrate any kind of working gravity motor doesn't deter you at all.


I would prefer it, Al, if you said I have a remarkable ability to reason.   ;-)


As for being deterred, if one doesn't have faith one is not going to move any mountains.
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