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Overunity Machines Forum



Big try at gravity wheel

Started by nfeijo, May 03, 2013, 10:03:04 AM

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MarkE

Marsing, I don't know why Grimer finds that dim video of a motor demonstration so fascinating.  The narrator showed the motor starting up and running.  I didn't hear the narrator saying anything like the motor didn't need a power source.

TinselKoala

Grimer is fascinated by that video because he believed (and may still believe) things about the device shown that were flatly contradicted by the builder. Grimer engaged in many long discussions where he, Grimer, would not accept the builder's clear statements that the device was not OU in any way, that its performance was perfectly in line with ordinary physics, and etc.  Now he seeks to use that video in some manner to criticize me.... when in reality, every time he posts a link to it, he is linking to his own naivete and hopeful ignorance. Notice that he does NOT post any of the discussions he had about the device with its builder. Not only is the device off-topic, since it has nothing to do with gravity wheels or Bessler, but also, Grimer is simply trolling. He has no point to make and no evidence to make it with.

MarkE

TinselKoala if those discussions happened the way that you say they did then it is hard to understand what Grimer thinks he might achieve by bringing it up.  Did the builder ever say that motor did anything remarkable?

TinselKoala

Quote from: MarkE on January 21, 2014, 01:15:44 AM
TinselKoala if those discussions happened the way that you say they did then it is hard to understand what Grimer thinks he might achieve by bringing it up.  Did the builder ever say that motor did anything remarkable?

Grimer is seeking to discredit someone by posting the video. He is displaying his frustrations. He is in the same position as a child is, looking at the "disembodied head" sitting on a table in a circus booth. Everybody around him knows that the head isn't really disembodied, that it only looks that way because of the carefully positioned mirrors that make the table look like there's nothing underneath it. But he persists in exclaiming that the head is in fact disembodied, and proceeds to construct all kinds of theories and explanations for how the disembodied head came to be and why it can still talk. Even when the carny builder of the table tells the child that it is just a trick, the child persists in his fantasy belief, and tells his friends about the disembodied head that could talk. For years, the child continues to reject sensible explanations and his own common sense, and thinks he saw a talking disembodied head. Years pass and memories are plastic; eventually the child might realize his silliness.... or maybe he never does.

Red_Sunset

Quote from: MarkE on January 20, 2014, 10:15:35 PM
I see a video of an electric motor in dim lighting.  What's special? 
MarkE,
Nothing, just interesting sideline distractions, like Sheep flocks, moisture absorption, high capacity lite batteries, pendulum acceleration curves, a 150yr old references that prevent an answer,  Koala'a mag motor... no problem!
Let me side step all this, for a quick note on the matter at hand.

An alternate theoretical view,
This summary addresses a flow of energy in Grimer's proposal that bothers me, due too possible impact of the cycloid modification. The pendulum is of hypothetical construction for the purpose of analysis.

The downswing energy absorption is proportional to the cosine, the initial half absorbs the most energy per degr (radian) and lessens towards -90dgr.

The upswing energy reduction (attenuation) would follow opposite pattern, with least attenuation in the first 45dgr and greatest attenuation in the last 45dgr of travel.  The attenuation experienced also follows a cosine function and the angular energy release is proportionate to the sine.

The upswing is modified to follow a cycloid path, this introduces a complete different proportioned sub-pendulum using chops that effectively shortens the radius of the swing arm and repositions the axis.
After the point the arm engages the chop, the string arm angle increases more rapidly than it would have without chops, (the reason for radian speed increase) therewith also the change of the sin/cos values that affect attenuation and energy release. 
Without going into calculations, The blob travel will be attenuated faster but so will be the energy release with chops engaged.

Summary;
I theorize  that as the chops engage, due to alteration of swing angle , the energy gets consumed faster (cos) which is compensated for by faster energy release(sin).  This creates the possibility of balancing out to the same swing height than if we maintained the circular path. (ideal view, ignoring losses)

Your opinion?,
Red_Sunset